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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#284826: Jul 11th 2019 at 8:30:55 PM

So, about the subpoenas for Mueller's unredacted report and the threat of contempt votes from the House over them... what's the most recent update?

I'm not sure about that. The subpoena news in story #4 seems focused on the Census and migrant children issues.

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/07/11/day-903/

    Day 903: Collateral damage 
1/ The Trump administration is scheduled to begin coordinated raids to arrest at least 2,000 immigrants who have been ordered deported. The raids – scheduled to begin on Sunday after initially being postponed in part to resistance at Immigration and Customs Enforcement – will be conducted by ICE agents over multiple days. The raids are expected to include "collateral" deportations, where ICE agents might detain any immigrants present when the raid occurs. Agents have expressed unease about arresting babies and young children, noting that the raids could have limited success since word has already spread among immigrant communities about how to avoid arrest. (New York Times / Wall Street Journal / CNN / Associated Press)

https://apnews.com/040b015baf0b4292bc141cd888df6602

📌Day 886: Trump delayed planned nationwide ICE raids for two weeks to see if Congress can "work out a solution." Immigration agents had planned to sweep and deport people living the U.S. illegally in 10 major cities beginning Sunday. Hours after defending the plan, Trump delayed the raids on Saturday. Earlier in the week, Trump threatened to arrest and deport "millions of illegal aliens" next week. ICE leaders expressed concerns that officers' safety would be in jeopardy because too many details about the raids had been made public. (Associated Press / New York Times / CNN / Politico / ABC News)

https://apnews.com/70c173c8d213438e9fbef4d1f2bba07b

📌 Day 894: Trump threatened to increase ICE raids and deportations of undocumented immigrants after the Fourth of July holiday, saying "they're going to be gone, they're going back to their countries. They go back home." Trump praised the Mexican government for taking steps to curb the flow of migrants reaching the U.S. border, claiming, "It was because of tariffs that they're doing it, but the point is they're doing a great job." Trump then reiterated his threat to deport all undocumented immigrants, "because that's what we do." Trump delayed planned nationwide ICE raids last month for two weeks to see if Congress can "work out a solution." (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-more-deportations-ahead-after-independence-day-n1025516

The House Oversight and Reform Committee requested business information from the companies managing detention centers at the southern border. The committee asked for an accounting of the hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts the Trump administration gave out. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-seek-documents-profit-companies-detaining-migrants-n1028591

2/ Trump is expected to abandon his effort to issue an executive order to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census. Instead, Trump is expected to take executive action instructing the Commerce Department to obtain citizenship data "through other means." The administration is already printing census forms without the citizenship question after the Supreme Court ruled last month that the justification by Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross for adding the question was inadequate and "contrived." Trump acknowledged last week that the proposed citizenship question was part of a longterm Republican plan to use congressional redistricting to tilt power in their favor. "Number one, you need it for Congress – you need it for Congress for districting," Trump said. "You need it for appropriations – where are the funds going?" The White House said Trump will make an announcement at 5 p.m. EDT. (ABC News / Politico / NBC News / New York Times / The Guardian / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / NPR / CNN / Associated Press)

https://apnews.com/18db0fba2743496daeb27a92915bb260

📌Day 889: The Supreme Court blocked the citizenship question from being added to the 2020 census. The court found that while the Department of Commerce had a right to reinstate the question, the administration provided a "contrived" justification for doing so. The Trump administration claimed the citizenship question was necessary to better comply with federal voting rights law, while critics argued it is an attempt to intimidate immigrant households. The Department of Commerce will now have to justify the addition of the question, which raises the question of whether the Trump administration will have enough time or the ability to add it before the forms have to be printed. The administration previously told the court that the questionnaire needed to be printed by the end of June. The Census Bureau found the question would reduce the response rate –especially in immigrant communities – and result in an estimated 6.5 million people not being counted. (CNN / NBC News / New York Times / NPR / Washington Post)

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/717635291/supreme-court-leaves-citizenship-question-blocked-from-2020-census

3/ Trump hosted a "social media summit" at the White House for his political allies, including a conspiracy theorist, a meme creator, and a plagiarist. Some Republican lawmakers and GOP campaign strategists were also invited. Facebook, Google, and Twitter, however, were reportedly excluded from the summit, which focused on allegations of social media bias against conservatives. Trump accused the tech companies of exhibiting "terrible bias" and silencing his supporters. Ironically, Twitter experienced an outage during the summit. Prior to the outage, attendees had been tweeting selfies. (NPR / Washington Post / CNN / Politico)

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/11/740579940/white-house-social-media-summit-leaves-out-key-players

4/ The House Judiciary Committee authorized 12 subpoenas targeting Trump administration officials, including Trump family members and Jared Kushner. The committee also approved a separate group of subpoenas seeking information about the Trump administration's practice of separating children from their families at the border. Democratic leaders in the House also scheduled a full vote to hold Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt of Congress for their refusal to turn over documents related to the citizenship question. (New York Times / Politico / Washington Post / CNN / NBC News / USA Today)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-judiciary-committee-votes-authorize-subpoenas-trump-officials-n1028756

📌 Day 901: The subpoena targets include Jared Kushner, Jeff Sessions, Rod Rosenstein, Michael Flynn, John Kelly and Corey Lewandowski, as well as Dylan Howard and David Pecker, two executives at American Media, Inc., and Keith Davidson, an attorney who previously represented Stormy Daniels. Republicans called the subpoenas as an effort to "relitigate" the Mueller investigation. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/09/house-dems-prep-subpoenas-for-jared-kushner-jeff-sessions-and-10-other-mueller-witnesses-1402876

5/ A senior military officer accused Trump's nominee for the next vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of sexual misconduct. The officer says Gen. John Hyten subjected her to a series of unwanted sexual advances, including kissing, hugging, and rubbing up against her while she was one of his aides in 2017. She also said Hyten tried to derail her military career after she rejected his advances. (Associated Press)

https://apnews.com/08a297df36e947a7888fde64acebdec5

6/ The Trump Organization cancelled a planned event with a Miami-area strip club at Trump's Doral golf resort, because the charity associated with the event dropped out after seeing the press coverage that golfers could pay for a dancer to serve as their "caddy girl" while they played golf. "Now that the charity has removed its affiliation," a Trump Organization spokesperson said, "the event will no longer be taking place at our property and all amounts paid will be refunded." (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nonprofit-pulls-out-of-strip-club-sponsored-golf-tournament-at-trump-club/2019/07/10/d1fb8760-a352-11e9-b8c8-75dae2607e60_story.html?utm_term=.74fd003ea94c

📌Day 902: Trump's golf club will host a tournament put on by a Miami-area strip club, allowing golfers to pay for a dancer to serve as their "caddy girl" while they play golf. The Trump Organization confirmed the event and said it was for a "worthwhile cause" — a Miami children's charity. Trump still owns Doral and the Trump name and family crest were featured prominently in the strip club's advertising. Participation in the event ranges from $450 for a single player to $1,800 for a group of four with VIP upgrades available. (Washington Post / CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/10/politics/trump-doral-resort-strip-club-tournament/index.html

7/ The Trump administration withdrew a proposal to lower prescription drug prices, which would have ended the practice of drugmakers giving rebates to insurance middlemen in government programs, like Medicare. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who backed the plan, clashed with senior White House advisers, who had sought to delay or water down the proposal. Separately, a federal judge threw out a rule earlier this week that would have required pharmaceutical companies to list the price of their drugs in TV advertisements. (Axios / CNN / New York Times / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/trump-drops-drug-price-proposal/index.html

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 11th 2019 at 9:31:37 AM

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#284827: Jul 11th 2019 at 8:32:29 PM

Mueller is due to testify before Congress next week, as are two of his team I think. And the Trump admins are trying to intimidate those team members into not testifying.

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#284828: Jul 11th 2019 at 11:39:53 PM

Barr also caved and gave up a good chunk of the report a while back, so my guess is that this is getting digested as well

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#284829: Jul 12th 2019 at 5:31:43 AM

As I said, though, something that would likely be considered is whether they're denying constituents access by blocking them. Someone from a neighboring state isn't being denied access to their representative - the President inherently represents everyone in the US.

That, too, is pretty murky due to the nature of the internet. When it's a public figure like the people suing her right now, it's not difficult to tell. But how do you discern whether FunkyBoots419 is a constituent?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#284830: Jul 12th 2019 at 5:40:11 AM

At the very least there's whether their account says their City and State or not.

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#284831: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:39:37 AM

[up][up][up] So they're working through what they've been given before demanding the remaining portion?

Edited by MarqFJA on Jul 12th 2019 at 4:40:35 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284832: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:41:30 AM

I fully support Trump's right to block people because I *KNEW* the moment he was forbidden that people like his followers would use this as a chance to dox powerful women.

It was a dumb-dumb decision.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 12th 2019 at 6:42:07 AM

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#284833: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:45:48 AM

There's nothing dumb about the idea that every American needs to be able to read official public statements from the President of the United States. It is certainly ripe for misuse, but that's the nature of ruling on new technological developments.

A legal conversation has needed to be held regarding the intersection of First Amendment rights and social media for a long time. These conversations only happen when someone issues a formal complaint. Trump was the first complaint, because his behavior was so egregious that it made the question impossible to ignore anymore.

Now that a precedent has been established, hammering out further details through other legal complaints occurs. AOC is the second. Expect more to follow; some good, some bad. That's how law works.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 12th 2019 at 7:47:00 AM

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#284834: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:46:45 AM

Well the Mute button exists.

Hopefully that won't be attacked.

And I'm not convinced by that argument because the Presiden's internal e-mails aren't automatically shared.

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#284835: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:47:22 AM

Why would they be? The President's internal e-mails are not a public forum.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 12th 2019 at 7:47:29 AM

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#284836: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:54:11 AM

Unlimited access to a person's speeches and letters is not a reasonable expectation.

Let alone when it involves the ability to respond.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#284837: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:54:30 AM

Internal emails are internal. Twitter is a platform intended to communicate with large numbers of people in a public setting.

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#284838: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:56:33 AM

Thos raises a question, what about say a post on a forum with say doners only access?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#284839: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:01:10 AM

Saw a notification that Acosta may be out. Exact words used were "has become a distraction".

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#284840: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:02:44 AM

[up][up]That would be a closed communication

[up]Spiegel said he stepped down

Edited by 3of4 on Jul 12th 2019 at 4:04:05 PM

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#284841: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:03:52 AM

He walked the plank.

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#284842: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:04:50 AM

There’s no such thing as a closed communication in government. Unless the information is classified or there’s a waiting period like with Presidental records, everything is available to the public.

Information being classified isn’t even really a barrier to Trump, as we’ve seen he’s happy to share TS/SCI information freely.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jul 12th 2019 at 7:09:24 AM

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284843: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:18:08 AM

I couldn't care less about Trump but the protections that protect him are ones that (theoretically) protect other people.

Even in an age where two rules of law seem mandatory.

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#284844: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:24:44 AM

There’s no such thing as a closed communication in government. Unless the information is classified or there’s a waiting period like with Presidental records, everything is available to the public.

Information being classified isn’t even really a barrier to Trump, as we’ve seen he’s happy to share TS/SCI information freely.

Which is technically a legal part of the classification process. The President is the highest authority on what is and is not classified. Legally, it's not actually possible for Trump to leak classified information; by virtue of being made public by the President of the United States, that information is automatically declassified.

It's stupid, mind you. But well within his rights as POTUS. Indeed, "It's stupid/terrible but legally within his rights" is a recurring problem with Trump.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 12th 2019 at 8:25:41 AM

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#284845: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:34:11 AM

[up] It’s a rule designed with presidents who aren’t idiots in mind.

Though I’ll point out that classified information in general is treated much less seriously in the US than in most other places. It’s not even really technically illegal to share it

[up][up] The protections he has don’t allow him to block people on Twitter. There’s no expectation of privacy when it comes to government communications, especially ones meant for mass consumption.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jul 12th 2019 at 7:36:13 AM

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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#284846: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:47:36 AM

One thing I read for the Trump case was that despite having an official White House Twitter Account Trump insisted on using his existing realDonaldTrump account for what has proved to be government business and announcements. If he had exhibited the discipline of keeping government business and announcements to the White House Account, and kept his personal dialogue / rants / attacks / madness on realDonaldTrump then I think he could of had a case of being able to block people from the realDonaldTrump account.

On that basis therefore it should be possible for AOC to block people from an account she defines personal if she has a NY-14 account that she also maintains. It obviously gets a bit murky when it comes to the political / campaigning issues such as the #wheresmitch hashtag she got trending, as well as how to say transfer a campaign account to an official account.

It may take therefore an intervention from Twitter to set up a new type of recognition - a public access account or similar. It would be an account tied to a verified account that a user can selectively retweet information to, thus preserving the separation of personal and public. These accounts would have to be monitored by Twitter or some other agency to ensure that the user is correctly managing the separation but given that only a very small subset of users would ever need / qualify for a public access account then it's not beyond the realm of possibility to do this sort of task.

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#284847: Jul 12th 2019 at 8:00:50 AM

There's nothing dumb about the idea that every American needs to be able to read official public statements from the President of the United States
What does that part have to do with blocking Twitter users?

Even if for some reason Twitter blocking disallows the blockee from reading the blocker's tweets (which it may do, I don't know Twitter enough), the blockee can easily solve this by logging out...

The effect of Trump blocking users is just that they can't PM him and they can't have their @mentions of him show up on his timeline, and can't have their responses to his posts show up right after his posts, right?

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#284848: Jul 12th 2019 at 8:33:09 AM

Even if for some reason Twitter blocking disallows the blockee from reading the blocker's tweets (which it may do, I don't know Twitter enough),
It does. Someone who is blocked cannot see anything posted by the person who blocked them at all. (This is separate from muting, which prevents the muted person from being seen by the person who muted them.)

the blockee can easily solve this by logging out...
If the police block your phone number from reaching 911, you can solve the problem by calling from a neighbor's house. Just because there are workarounds doesn't make the practice acceptable or legal.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#284849: Jul 12th 2019 at 11:07:18 AM

Here's a proper link about Acosta:

Trump's Labor Secretary Acosta resigns amid Epstein case

https://reut.rs/2jCFMA8

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#284850: Jul 12th 2019 at 11:10:52 AM

In a fair world it would cause Trump's entire government to step down and Trump himself to be answering before congress,sadly life is never that fair,still,I'll take what i can get

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