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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#284726: Jul 10th 2019 at 10:42:15 AM

Somewhat tangentially I'm reminded of how Etika was released prematurely despite showing that he was not in a healthy state of mind and showing major self-control issues, and how doing so is part of what allowed him to take his life.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#284727: Jul 10th 2019 at 10:55:38 AM

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Unless he committed a crime, an "Involuntary Medical Hold" can only last up to 72 hours in NY State. After that, it's 100% up to the person being held as to whether they want to stay longer or get the hell out of there.

And in political news, Good News, Bad News time!

Good: Joe Biden's lead is down to 5 points, 22% compared to Warren's 17% and Harris' 14%. Rounding things out are Sanders at 11% and Buttigieg at 5%.

Bad: The Appeals Court unanimously threw out the emoluments case against Trump, stating that those bringing the suit lack the legal standing to do so. I'm kind of curious as to who they would consider to have the standing for it, given that this is a charge against the President, a position that represents everyone within the US.

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According to the article, all of them are Republican appointees, though it doesn't detail which administration(s) they were appointed under.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 10th 2019 at 2:24:05 PM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#284728: Jul 10th 2019 at 11:22:59 AM

I need to check that panel; it’s a random combo of 3 judges. Lawyers already say they’re going to seek a rehearing en banc (before all the judges).

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#284729: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:28:17 PM

'Do not tweet': Pelosi scolds progressives in closed-door meeting – The House speaker urged liberal Democrats not to criticize their centrist colleagues in public.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/10/pelosi-progressives-twitter-1405763

Speaker Nancy Pelosi chided progressives in a closed-door meeting Wednesday, calling on them to address their intra-party grievances privately rather than blasting their centrist colleagues on Twitter.

Pelosi’s comments, which were described as stern, came during the first full caucus meeting since a major blow up over emergency border funding last month between progressive and moderate lawmakers as well as a recent spat with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and her freshman allies.

"So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it," Pelosi told Democrats, according to a source in the room. "But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just ok."

Democrats inside the room said they interpreted that remark as a shot at Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, who called moderate Democrats members of the “Child Abuse Caucus” in a tweet over their support for the Senate’s version of the emergency humanitarian package.

A Pelosi spokesman said the speaker’s comments were about the use of Twitter in general and not targeted at any individual member.

“I’m here to help the children when it’s easy and when it’s hard. Some of you are here to make a beautiful pâté but we’re making sausage most of the time,” Pelosi told the caucus.

The speaker gave an emphatic defense of the moderates in the caucus, according to multiple sources, telling the room that they’re critical to holding the House majority. Pelosi told Democrats not to make the Blue Dog Coalition their targets and instead criticize her publicly if they need to go after someone.

The California Democrat added that when her members target her, it helps fundraising, eliciting a big laugh inside the room.

“We are a family, and every family has its moments,” Pelosi said.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 10th 2019 at 1:29:29 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#284730: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:32:37 PM

I have a lot of issue with Pelosi's centrist approach, but she's absolutely right that while there's a lot to be bothered by when it comes to the backwardness of a portion of the party, openly aired infighting does more to harm than help progressive causes in the form of making it easier for regressive Republicans to stymy them.

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#284731: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:34:07 PM

Eh, I have some mixed feelings on this, infighting is bad, but there's something to be said for transparency, and I think a lot of left leaning young folk are craving transparency.

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#284732: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:36:09 PM
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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#284733: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:42:30 PM

Pelosi can go fuck herself. She can insult the progressive reps in the NY Times, but they can’t point out that the centrist deals with the republicans are deluded and immoral?!???

[up] Uncalled for.

Edited by wisewillow on Jul 10th 2019 at 12:42:51 PM

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#284734: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:44:05 PM

[up][up] ...Dare I ask what point you’re trying to make?

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#284736: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:56:45 PM

I'm trying to work what they mean,haven't a clue

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#284737: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:00:28 PM

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Pretty sure that was meant as a Pay Evil unto Evil jab.

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#284738: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:00:39 PM

Anyone calling for genocide of any kind is bad. You know what's also bad? Israel's killing of protestors. I'm saying this as a Jew. There are no bloodless sides here.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 10th 2019 at 1:43:34 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#284739: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:07:42 PM

I do sometimes get the impression with how people talk about it as if Israel is unilaterally the "bad guy" in the situation, and I imagine that's not helpful.

I get it; there are a lot of human rights violations going and funding/aid to Israel seems widely considered problematic, but still.

I think that might be what Spartan is referencing, even if it's not exactly necessary here.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 10th 2019 at 3:08:25 AM

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#284740: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:07:58 PM

I think in general using country actions as a reason to shit on the innocent citizens to that extreme is uh. always bad. In a way that I don't think needs to be fully explained, as I assume most of us are aware of it?

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#284741: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:14:07 PM

With A Growing Membership Since Trump, Black Gun Group Considers Getting Political:

The goal of the National African American Gun Association is to introduce black Americans to guns and also instruct them on how to use them.

Some see the group as an alternative to the National Rifle Association for black gun owners, but it has some notable differences. Organizers say it is a civil rights organization that aims to build community and promote self-protection.

Since its creation in 2015, the group has seen rapid growth with roughly 30,000 members and 75 chapters nationwide. Leaders expect another 25 chapters by next year.

Overall, 4 in 10 Americans say there is a firearm in their household, according to a 2017 study by Pew Research Center. Broken down by race, 24% of African Americans say they personally own a gun, compared with 36% of whites and 15% of Hispanics.

"Black folks and guns usually get a negative stereotype reaction like: 'What is that guy doing with a gun?' " says Philip Smith, the president and founder of the group.

Membership spiked after President Trump was sworn into office, Smith says, attributing some of that growth to a political climate where people with racist views feel emboldened to talk about and act on those views.

Some in the organization say it is time to have a larger platform. Executives in the group are mulling whether to form a political action committee that would raise money and back candidates sympathetic with the cause. The primary focus of the PAC, though, would be to work on solutions between black gun owners and the police.

"Does law enforcement, or more importantly larger society, view black men with firearms in a certain way? Let's have that discussion," Smith Says. "That's a hard discussion, but that's a discussion we need, as an organization, to be involved with."

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#284742: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:29:37 PM

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"Does law enforcement, or more importantly larger society, view black men with firearms in a certain way? Let's have that discussion," Smith Says. "That's a hard discussion, but that's a discussion we need, as an organization, to be involved with."

Hard discussion? I figured that was the equivalent of "Does a bear shit in the woods?"

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#284743: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:30:39 PM

Overall, 4 in 10 Americans say there is a firearm in their household, according to a 2017 study by Pew Research Center. Broken down by race, 24% of African Americans say they personally own a gun, compared with 36% of whites and 15% of Hispanics.

This really confused for me a minute. I was all "damn son, are Asians seriously skewing the curve or something?" Then I thought it through and realized the difference between personally owning a gun and living in a household with onenote 

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#284744: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:31:40 PM

My point was that he was doing something that was very normal in Iran's government.

He's bad, and their government is just as bad.

Speaking of which, John Bolton has literally been exiled to Mongolia. So the odds of a war with Iran have likely gone down, Trump (thankfully) is too much of a coward to start a war without being pushed.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 10th 2019 at 1:32:15 AM

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#284745: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:32:56 PM

[up][up][up]My guess is that "hard" in that sense means "there are certain parties who really won't like to hear the truth."

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#284746: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:33:50 PM

There's a pretty huge plurality of the general population that doesn't wanna hear it either.

Oh really when?
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#284747: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:33:56 PM

[up][up][up] That's the textbook definition of whataboutism though, and the problem is that Andrew Klavan didn't speak just about overthrowing the government or anything, he talked about destroying Iran as a whole.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 10th 2019 at 10:36:53 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#284748: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:38:30 PM

[up]False, Whataboutism is an attempt to discredit an argument by bringing up an unrelated crime.

It would be whataboutism if I said something along the lines of "what he said isn't bad because Iran says it too", but I didn't so it isn't.

Furthermore, Iran calling for the destruction of Israel is in no way merely calling for the deposition of a government. They're clearly arguing for genocide.

[up][up]Indeed. White moderates have always opposed necessary discussions about race relations, especially when it pertains to the police.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 10th 2019 at 1:41:27 AM

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#284749: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:41:19 PM

It's not whataboutism but it's still an oddly jarring dick move, as evidenced by at least several people being thrown off by bringing it up.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#284750: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:43:57 PM

I get that, I take no pleasure in causing that sort of reaction.

But it needed to be said, Iran is not and will never be innocent in this. The Trump administrations' unwarranted antagonism has made that less clear unfortunately.

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