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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#284126: Jun 29th 2019 at 9:55:10 AM

wild mass guessIts a ruse to get the Republican senitors,they'll return only for the doors to locked and the Democrats change their minds

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#284127: Jun 29th 2019 at 11:43:29 AM

I don't think they have the gumption for it.

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#284128: Jun 29th 2019 at 12:06:44 PM

Really easy to say when you don't live there
Really easy for you to say that when you have yet to feel the true consequences of this act of cowardice.

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#284129: Jun 29th 2019 at 12:22:38 PM

While it may be good that people didn't end up dying, the precedent set during these events is unsustainable. Progressive reforms will be incredibly difficult to make happen if we allow armed Far-Right militias to impose their will. At some point, there is going to need to be a focus on stopping the Far-Right, including and especially violent groups.

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#284130: Jun 29th 2019 at 12:59:11 PM

I think the bigger issue is that the Republicans ran off to Idaho than anything the militias did. Short of invading another state, Oregon's hands were really tied.

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#284131: Jun 29th 2019 at 1:25:15 PM

I mean, the militias made some rumblings, and precisely one senator said anything about said militias. The militias didn't really do anything at all; the republican senators just waited it out elsewhere while the clock ran out. Considering that, I don't think the militias really won anything because it didn't get far beyond talk on their part. Now, the Republican senators obviously won, but again, only one of those guys was reported saying anything about militias or threatening the police.

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#284132: Jun 29th 2019 at 2:06:04 PM

A state law to lower the requirements for quorum might be in order.

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#284133: Jun 29th 2019 at 2:08:17 PM

[up]X4 People will die because of the new choice made, instead of it being police on the streets today it will be children in preventable floods years from now, but the deaths will still happen.

I do hope it is a ruse, drop the bill then once the republicans turn up lock them inside and vote on the bill, that’s the kind of playing dirty I’m all for.

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#284134: Jun 29th 2019 at 2:41:03 PM

That is incredibly wishful thinking.

Sometimes a loss is just a loss.

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#284135: Jun 29th 2019 at 2:44:23 PM

yes well,hope spings eternal

and I'm supposed to be a pessimist

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#284136: Jun 29th 2019 at 3:42:48 PM

When it comes to democracy, evil has a fundamental advantage over good. When self-serving politicians lock horns with compassionate ones, the lack of basic human decency is a strong edge.

  • Democrats: There is a starving child. I propose we buy the child a sandwich.
  • Republicans: Oh, I agree! We will buy the child a sandwich and then beat him for no reason.
  • Democrats: What?! No! That's awful! Why would we do that? I'm not agreeing to that!
  • Republicans: Well, I'm not agreeing to buy the sandwich without the beating. It looks like we'll agree to disagree.
  • Democrats: But we haven't solved the problem.
  • Republicans: Indeed, we haven't.
  • Democrats: ...
  • Republicans: Boy, that child sure is looking mighty hungry.
  • Democrats: ...
  • Republicans: Hate for him to starve to death, just because you're too stubborn to agree to my sandwich proposition.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 29th 2019 at 4:43:44 AM

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#284137: Jun 29th 2019 at 4:02:17 PM

[up]That metaphor lacks a fundamental piece of the puzzle: Democrats wouldn't need Republicans to buy a kid a sandwich, so they could just go "Fine, I'll buy the sandwich, you just stand there and pout or whatever." Sending any progressive bill to the president requires the currently Republican-controlled Senate approve it too, a sure impossibility. There is no realistic situation in which House Dems can go "You know what, fuck the Senate, we're sending our bill to Trump anyway." At least not without massive outrage from both card-carrying Rs, news media on either side, and the general public.

As long as Repubelicans control the Senate, and as long as Cocaine Mitch is the Senate Majority Leader, there will only be so much Democrats can do to unfuck the country.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jun 29th 2019 at 7:05:47 AM

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#284138: Jun 29th 2019 at 4:11:03 PM

I don’t think Tobias was condemning democrats in Congress or even the democrats in Oregon, just pointing out that whenever a situation is such that Democrats need to work with republicans democrats will always come off the worse for wear, because Republicans are happy to stand and watch the place burn.

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#284139: Jun 29th 2019 at 4:20:17 PM

[up]That's my point, though; as of now, there's not much House and Senate Democrats in congress can get done without Senate Republican approval, and Republicans by default aren't going to sign on to anything Democrats want to do.

And let's be honest, how many people even here would approve of House Democrats acting extra-legally to bypass Senate Republicans the way Republicans do?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jun 29th 2019 at 7:21:58 AM

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#284140: Jun 29th 2019 at 4:46:02 PM

Just a thing here: Is not lack of human decency, is polarization, as far republican is concern, to cave of ANTYHING the dems made is already throw the towel and leting them do their uber evil liberal rule therefore they need to be in charge, yes is kind of a self serving razionalie but it exist, the republican have become part of their own narrative a long time ago.

To make thing easier to understand in tobias analogy, if they buy the child a sanwich, them the dem will ask another thing and another and soon you will have the uber pink-comunism before you know it.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#284141: Jun 29th 2019 at 4:53:20 PM

Its also worth noting that there have been polls and studies that show Republicans value purity over compromise. Many of these people are elected with the understanding that never giving anything to Democrats even when they gain something in return is what their constituents want.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#284142: Jun 29th 2019 at 5:12:44 PM

Spotted Ivanka on TV with her father during talks with the Chinese delegation in Osaka.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#284143: Jun 29th 2019 at 5:17:33 PM

Probably wants to open up a new sweatshop or something.

I don't talk about it much, but I really despise Ivanka.

Edited by M84 on Jun 29th 2019 at 8:18:05 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#284144: Jun 29th 2019 at 6:59:40 PM

[up][up][up]Another aspect of polarization(sorry but is the topic of my thesis in political science): it dosent just mean to tie the people to one aspect of a party or political actor(so being republican dosent mean just being conservative or tradiciona, it means you are the guardian of all that), but tie againts someone in this case the dems, the left and liberal in thar order.

as venezuelan I can tell you: the republican think in a way pretty similar to chavismo, even if both party are far away of the political spectrum, radicalization is a hell of a thing.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#284145: Jun 29th 2019 at 11:57:42 PM

Judge blocks Trump from using billions in military funds for border wall – A federal judge on Friday issued a ruling blocking the Trump administration from tapping billions of dollars in military funds to construct a wall on the United States's southern border.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/450987-judge-permanently-blocks-trump-from-using-billions-in-military-funds


Trump consultant behind mock Joe Biden election website

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/451029-trump-consultant-behind-mock-joe-biden-election-website

A man who makes videos and digital content for President Trump's campaign is separately behind a fake Joe Biden campaign site.

Patrick Mauldin told The New York Times that the site he created, Joe Biden.info, is intended to help Democrats “face facts.”

He told the newspaper that he did not put his name on it because “people tend to dismiss things that they don’t like, especially if it comes from the opposite side."

Mauldin said he built and paid for the website himself and that it is not related to the campaign, although the campaign knows about it.

“We think it’s great that talented supporters of President Trump use their own time to help his re-election,"Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told The Hill in a statement Saturday.

“We appreciate their efforts in their own time with parodies like this that help the cause,” he said, though he did not directly address Mauldin's website according to the paper.

The website features GI Fs of Biden touching women and children as well as information about his policies that might not be seen as liberal today such as his support for the Iraq War and the 1994 crime bill.

"Uncle Joe is back and ready to take a hands-on approach to America’s problems!" said the top of the site.

"This site is political commentary and parody of Joe Biden's Presidential campaign website," said the site if users scroll to the bottom. "This is not Joe Biden's actual website. It is intended for entertainment and political commentary only."

Biden campaign spokesman T.J. Ducklo told The Times that it knew about the site, but not who was behind it.

“Imagine our surprise that a site full of obvious disinformation,” he said, “is the handiwork of an operative tied to the Trump campaign,” he said.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 30th 2019 at 1:04:01 PM

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#284146: Jun 30th 2019 at 6:37:21 AM

I'd ask if he or any of Trump's other toadies realize that Biden is really only popular among older Democratic voters, but I already know they don't. These are the guys that think we all love Bill Maher, after all.

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#284147: Jun 30th 2019 at 9:03:25 AM

I'm fine with bill maher myself, and even i think the mock biden website is dumb.

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#284148: Jun 30th 2019 at 9:38:13 AM

I have a few vox articles to share for dicussion's sake. The first of which is about women and their unique advantage aganst President Toxic Masculinity.

Worry about a woman losing to Trump in 2020 runs deep. In a June Daily Beast/Ipsos poll, 74 percent of voters said they would be comfortable with a female president, but just a third said their neighbors would. Meanwhile, as Vox’s Tara Golshan wrote earlier this month, former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders, two white men in their 70s, were leading in polls going into the debates, even though polls suggest that, given a choice, Democrats might prefer a candidate who isn’t an older white man.

So for some Americans, the debates this week weren’t just a test of who was the best candidate. They were also a test of whether a woman could really win.

By any measure, Harris and other female candidates passed. As Vox’s Ezra Klein wrote, Harris “tore into Biden’s comments about segregationists and his record on busing in a way that left him sputtering onstage, and that carried the meta-message that she’d be able to confront Trump with the same cool precision.” She also cut through her opponents’ interruption-fest on education with a lighthearted jibe — “America does not want a food fight, they want to know how we’ll put food on their table” — that made her look like the adult in the room.

But other female candidates had strong showings too. Sen. Amy Klobuchar won applause when she took Gov. Jay Inslee to task for saying he was the only candidate to have achieved something on abortion rights. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand made an impact with her comments on the Hyde Amendment, which bans federal funding for most abortions. Sen. Elizabeth Warren showed the calm and clear grasp of policy that has been her trademark, and Wednesday night’s debate was essentially a referendum on her plans.

Any of the female candidates onstage this week could probably perform well in a debate against Trump, up to and including Marianne Williamson, who would probably out-weird him.

And in all their cases, their gender wouldn’t be a stumbling block they’d have to get over to beat Trump onstage. It would actually help them.

As for the other articles:

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#284149: Jun 30th 2019 at 9:44:39 AM

Marrianne Williamson apparently represents a demographic that is spiritual but not religious.

She also represents anti-vaxxers and anti-intellectual vapid idiots, I'd rather not have a left-wing Trump.

I realize you aren't saying otherwise, but that article is entirely too positive and really should've mentioned her massive issues as a candidate.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#284150: Jun 30th 2019 at 9:45:27 AM

Yeah, the anti-vaxxer thing is an immediate deal-breaker for me.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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