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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#283826: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:43:16 PM

[up] this is more than just a mistake. This is a huge loss. She’s allowing it so long as mike pence notifies them about the deaths of children. There’s no change to their conditions whatsoever.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#283827: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:44:05 PM

If a bunch of people revolted, I'm not really sure how that's her fault and not theirs.

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#283828: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:45:25 PM

At least part of it is probably because she's the face.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283829: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:47:24 PM

I haven't looked at the story in-depth yet, but I did see it mentioned the bill passed the Senate with 86 votes, so she didn't have much in the way of leverage on this one.

also, regarding the politico link. Good God that is a clickbaity headline ("House clears border aid bill after Pelosi bows to Mc Connell")

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 27th 2019 at 5:48:13 AM

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#283830: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:49:07 PM

If a bunch of people revolted, I'm not really sure how that's her fault and not theirs.

The existence of a mutiny is generally a strong indicator that a failure of leadership has occurred.

Blame is not binary. They can suck for mutinying at the same time that she sucks for failing to keep her people from voting for concentration camps. Leaders are accountable for the actions of those beneath them.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 27th 2019 at 5:51:31 AM

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#283831: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:59:59 PM

Pelosi has caved, allowing the bill giving $6 billion to border control to pass without accommodations for migrant children...

Are you serious?! First she dissents against the consensus that Trump should be impeach, now this? Is she actively working against her party?

Forgive me, but why would Pelosi do such a thing?

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 27th 2019 at 5:01:21 AM

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#283832: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:00:53 PM

I fail to see how those go in conjunction with each other.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#283833: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:03:40 PM

I'm sorry, but my mind is trying to fathom why she let a bill like that pass without helping the children stuck there.

Kneejerk reactions aside, what were the other provisions of that bill?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#283834: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:04:54 PM

Pelosi herself wasn't the sole arbiter of whether or not this bill passed or failed you know

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#283835: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:11:02 PM

Agreed that the title is click bait. Seriously, wtf.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#283836: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:12:10 PM

@Tobias, blame might not be binary, but fruitpork certainly poised it as if it was. And as we've gone over several times the parties don't really have much effective power to make members do anything, I can't help but think that detracts blame from her.

It's a position in which Republicans just all falling in line, and putting party before everything else works to their advantage because it makes it much easier for them to crush dissent (I'd assume, anyway).

Edited by LSBK on Jun 27th 2019 at 7:12:29 AM

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#283837: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:12:25 PM

The article itself also makes claims that she "surrendered" to McConnell, among other dramatic language.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283838: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:15:16 PM

Someone at Politico clearly does not like Pelosi.

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#283839: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:15:25 PM

As much as I hate the circumstances, McConnell does have the kind of power to be the one to get the final say. So I don’t entirely blame Pelosi, but I do blame every single citizen who voted for republican senators.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#283840: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:16:01 PM

Party leaders in the US have way less institutional authority to force their caucuses to vote a certain way. If a Democrat wanted to vote here and now for the Wall, there’s literally nothing Pelosi or any Democratic chief can do until they are empowered to compel conformity. And this passed overwhelmingly in the Senate. There was nothing to be done here.

It’s as if this thread forgets the various and sundry structural weaknesses of the American system whenever something goes wrong.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#283841: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:26:12 PM

The Senate does not get any money without the house. All funding bills have to start in the house. Pelosi definitely could’ve done more, and her entire job as speaker of the house is to control the Democrats. I am appalled and disgusted. It’s basically handing Trump free money.

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#283842: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:27:47 PM

@Morning Star: She got a ton of democrats elected to the house by directing their messaging onto the right issues, plus, there is no consensus on impeachment, as evidenced by this very thread. This ditzy, caving Pelosi caricature is nonsensical.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#283843: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:39:24 PM

What exactly did this bill contain? How bad is this bill, in the practical sense? What does it fund?

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Jun 27th 2019 at 9:39:54 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#283844: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:46:37 PM

[up][up]I didn’t call her ditzy. I think she’s either a coward or she doesn’t understand/care what she’s doing. And she didn’t get all those candidates elected, their campaigns did.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#283845: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:54:01 PM

Well, if progressives wanted someone better to replace her, maybe they should not have backed someone like Jaffe in the last primaries.

Edited by M84 on Jun 27th 2019 at 8:54:19 PM

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#283846: Jun 27th 2019 at 5:57:17 PM

Onto other topics:

  • Raverly, a popular knitting site had banned Trump support (and likely most pro-alt-right content by extension), a move that seems to garnered widespread support among the knitting community. RPG.net preceded Raverly in this move for similar reasons. Also mentioned is the role Knitting had in political movements and its use as a medium.
  • An article explains that Trump isn't a Final Boss that would ensure peace on earth once defeated. Going into detail on the recently discussed ruling in favor on gerrymandering, and the ideology that Republicans knows best, and the related drift towards Republicans being hostile to democracy.
  • Twitter had decided to hide Trump's tweets behind a new notice.
  • Trump threatens to delays census, causing Democrats to try brainstorming a response.
  • Rodger Stone is accused of violating gag order by using social media. He defends it citing of course "free speech".

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 27th 2019 at 5:59:51 AM

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#283847: Jun 27th 2019 at 6:00:35 PM

Second night of the Dem debates is starting

Wait, one of these people is literally just an author?

What the fuck.

Motherfucker, are taxes going up or not?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jun 27th 2019 at 9:04:14 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283848: Jun 27th 2019 at 6:04:14 PM

And Williamson’s an anti-vaxx quack sad

Oooh Bernie and Biden in the middle. I predict at least one finger wagging or yelling match.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#283849: Jun 27th 2019 at 6:11:25 PM

Gillibrand is like a walking anthromorphism of that "Why Can't We Be Friends" song.

Michael Bennet has already convinced me he's a dumbass.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#283850: Jun 27th 2019 at 6:12:48 PM

@Tobias Drake:

We had to defend a sex predator in order to achieve that progress. And that makes me feel really gross.

Sex predators may be icky, but they're a group who actually need their rights defended more than most, because even once they've served their sentence, they're still faced with draconian, illegal and/or impossible legal sanctions (like an entire town that was covered by sex-offender free school zones) that are officially not even punishments. And, of course, nobody wants to be the one in the room saying "hey, we need to find out how to reintegrate sex offenders into our society once we can't legally hold them in prison anymore."

So yeah, defending a sex predator whose rights were being violated was the right thing to do.


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