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Oh, bother.
#283801: Jun 27th 2019 at 9:15:29 AM

[up]And yet a lot of people felt disappointed despite what he accomplished because he didn't solve ALL the problems.

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#283802: Jun 27th 2019 at 9:16:32 AM

[up]Yeah, he kinda use a quite a lot of populism and it kinda backfire, on the other hand he make republican lost their damn mind, something he didnt see coming(even when he totally should) so Is ok I guess.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#283803: Jun 27th 2019 at 10:14:11 AM

... is the Republicans losing their minds a good thing? Because they've begun to say the quiet parts out loud and it's inexplicably not working out as poorly for them as it should.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#283804: Jun 27th 2019 at 10:16:43 AM

[up]Kinda, losing their mind is something of a lost in long term because no everyone is around when the damn lunatics star showing how awfull they are, there is a reason the republican are doubling down on gerrymending and other awfull tactics: they cant win without it.

The more the dems opose at every corner, the better.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#283805: Jun 27th 2019 at 10:33:54 AM

@Wisewillow: The ruling still allows for state courts, even Congress, to strike down gerrymanders, which is what happened in Pennsylvania last year and could happen in NC this one. That's why I called it, mostly, a continuation of the current status quo.

Edited by Grafite on Jun 27th 2019 at 6:36:49 PM

Life is unfair...
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283806: Jun 27th 2019 at 10:47:00 AM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/06/27/day-889/

    Day 889: Contrived 
1/ The Supreme Court blocked the citizenship question from being added to the 2020 census. The court found that while the Department of Commerce had a right to reinstate the question, the administration provided a "contrived" justification for doing so. The Trump administration claimed the citizenship question was necessary to better comply with federal voting rights law, while critics argued it is an attempt to intimidate immigrant households. The Department of Commerce will now have to justify the addition of the question, which raises the question of whether the Trump administration will have enough time or the ability to add it before the forms have to be printed. The administration previously told the court that the questionnaire needed to be printed by the end of June. The Census Bureau found the question would reduce the response rate –especially in immigrant communities – and result in an estimated 6.5 million people not being counted. (CNN / NBC News / New York Times / NPR / Washington Post)

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/717635291/supreme-court-leaves-citizenship-question-blocked-from-2020-census

2/ The Supreme Court ruled that federal courts cannot block partisan gerrymandering in a 5-4 decision that fell along partisan lines. Chief Justice John Roberts rejected two constitutional challenges to partisan district mapmaking – one brought by Democrats in North Carolina and another by Republicans in Maryland – writing that "partisan gerrymandering claims present political questions beyond the reach of the federal courts." Districts are drawn nationwide every 10 years, and the next redistricting is scheduled to take place following the 2020 census, which also triggers reapportionment of U.S. House seats among states. Because of the 2010 midterm elections, the Republican party controls most statehouses across the country and, by extension, jurisdiction over the redistricting process. Dissenting Justice Elena Kagan called the decision "tragically wrong." (Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / Politico / NPR / CNN / Bloomberg / USA Today / CNBC / Associated Press / The Guardian / Wall Street Journal)

https://apnews.com/4156cf044e314b5bb9f2d0a99f4bc2b2

3/ Trump marked his arrival in Japan for the G20 Summit by lashing out at U.S. allies. He complained that if the U.S. were attacked, Japan would simply "watch it on a Sony television" instead of coming to America's defense. He called Germany a security freeloader, and complained about India's new tariffs on U.S. goods. Trump is scheduled to meet with the leaders of all three countries on Friday. Trump did not, however, have anything negative to say about the fourth world leader on his meeting schedule for Friday: Putin. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/world/asia/trump-g20.html

Trump demanded that India withdraw its latest tariff hike on 28 U.S. products. India imposed tariffs in response to Trump's decision to remove key trade privileges for New Delhi. Trump called the tariffs "unacceptable," and tweeted that he's looking forward to "to speaking with Prime Minister Modi about the fact that India, for years having put very high tariffs against the United States, just recently increased the tariffs even further." Trump is expected to meet with Modi at this week's G20 Summit in Japan. (CNBC)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/us-india-trade-donald-trump-on-indias-tariff-hike-on-us-goods.html

4/ Trump told reporters that what he says to Putin in private is "none of your business," when asked what the two world leaders will discuss behind closed doors at the G20 Summit. Trump is scheduled to meet with Putin after House Democrats hear from the White House records chief about allegations that Trump tried to hide documents detailing his previous private conversations with Putin. (Politico / CBS News)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-leaves-for-asia-trip-g20-today-2019-06-26-live-updates/

5/ Two women corroborated E. Jean Carroll's allegation that Trump sexually assaulted her in the 1990s. Carroll privately confided in Carol Martin and Lisa Birnbach after the alleged attack. Both came forward to talk about the advice they gave Carroll at the time. Neither of the women had been publicly identified until now, and it was the first time since the alleged assault that they had discussed the incident together. Trump denied Carroll's allegation and said she is "totally lying" and that he wouldn't have assaulted her because "she's not my type." (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/jean-carroll-trump-sexual-assault.html

6/ The Trump International Hotel in Washington charged the Secret Service more than $200,000 in taxpayer money. The agency paid $33,638 for unspecified charges over two days in June, which coincided with Trump's first re-election campaign fundraiser. The Secret Service was also billed for $14,900 for two days in June 2017 and another for $11,475 for two days the next month. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/trump-hotel-washington-charged-secret-service-200-000-president-s-n1022641

    Debatables 
Last night was the first of two back-to-back Democratic presidential primary debates, featuring 10 candidates and 5 moderators. The debate centered around a handful of major topics, including healthcare, guns, immigration, climate change, Iran, and others. Trump was absent from most of the discussion, with candidates opting instead to talk more about their respective policies and positions than Trump's presidency. The second debate begins tonight at 9 p.m. ET and will feature another 10 candidates. Instead of giving you a breakdown of last night's entire two-hour ordeal, here's how some of the major outlets are covering it:

Fact-checking the first night of the first Democratic presidential debate. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/politics/democratic-debate-fact-check-night-1/index.html

Fact-checking the claims that hold up and the ones that don't. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/fact-checking-first-democratic-debate-night-one-what-s-true-n1022446

5 takeaways from the first Democratic debate. (NPR)

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/736451302/5-takeaways-from-the-first-democratic-debate

7 takeaways from the first Democratic debate. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/27/democratic-debate-results-1385018

Recap: Democrats Diverge on economy and immigration in first debate. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/us/politics/democratic-debate-2020.html

Recap: Democrats clash on healthcare, border in scrappy first U.S. presidential debate. (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debate-idUSKCN1TR168

Analysis: Who won the first debate? Experts on the Left and Right weigh in. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/democratic-debate-winners-losers.html

Analysis: Debate shows how leftward it has moved. (Los Angeles Times)

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-2020-democratic-debate-miami-analysis-20190626-story.html

Transcript: The first Democratic debate night transcript, annotated. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/27/transcript-night-one-first-democratic-debate-annotated/

FTW: Jay Inslee called Trump the greatest threat facing the U.S. (Axios)

https://www.axios.com/democratic-debates-geopolitical-threat-china-iran-climate-trump-6740bd14-d961-4c19-ac17-9d7cfddfd4a2.html

Hot take: Trump's reaction to the first 2020 Democratic presidential debate: "BORING!" (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-slams-democratic-debate-n1022426

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#283807: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:26:25 PM

@Wisewillow: The ruling still allows for state courts, even Congress, to strike down gerrymanders, which is what happened in Pennsylvania last year and could happen in NC this one. That's why I called it, mostly, a continuation of the current status quo.

State courts are made up of people from that state. Leaving the question of whether a map is unfairly gerrymandered up to the same state that unfairly gerrymandered it may sometimes produce results. But you're more likely to get

  • Federal Government: Hey, Louisiana. Do you think Louisiana's being racist?
  • Louisiana: Nah, man. Louisiana's cool.
  • Federal Government: Cool beans. Sweet burning cross, by the way.

A corrupt entity does not just fix itself unprompted. It has to be fixed by outside intervention. That's specifically why democracy has the practice of firing everybody every few years and making them reapply for their jobs.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 27th 2019 at 1:27:33 PM

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#283808: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:34:02 PM

Quick note, if democrats are able to retain the Louisiana governorship in November we can prevent the state being gerrymandered.

With this ruling it’s clearer than ever that democrats have to fight for a toehold in every state, it’s the only hope of stopping a state’s elections from being rigged.

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Would that it were so simple.
#283809: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:35:49 PM

Federalism has the same essential structural political weakness of feudalism in that systemic injustice comes first and foremost from ones neighbors and less from the metropole far away, and without an effective counterbalance, becomes endemic and intractable.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283810: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:48:03 PM

Exclusive: Western intelligence hacked 'Russia's Google' Yandex to spy on accounts - sources

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#283811: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:49:40 PM

I'm just going to say that Wisewillow first post on the matter, did come off as very doomsay-ey. I imagine that was partially hyperbolic because of the situation, but the claim does fit her words, I think.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 27th 2019 at 2:49:50 PM

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#283812: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:56:37 PM

Sucks about the gerrymandering ruling. It’s more exasperating because Roberts admits in the majority ruling that this is actually a problem, but declines to actually do something about it. Apparently the excuse is that it’s too much judicial overreach.

I’m hearing now though SC just ruled census citizenship question unconstitutional?

Actually not that far, just halting it going through

Edited by vicarious on Jun 27th 2019 at 3:57:43 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283813: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:57:24 PM

[up][up]Here’s an analysis of the gerrymandering decision.

Before laying out the specific grotesquerie of the Maryland and North Carolina gerrymanders at issue, Kagan asks her reader to consider: “As I relate what happened in those two States, ask yourself: Is this how American democracy is supposed to work?” Then she takes us through exactly how and why the gerrymandered sausage was made.

Voting is the core democratic prerogative that is being further eroded every day in every way, from vote suppression, to disenfranchisement, to phony claims of vote fraud. Minority-elected presidents and senators from minority-sized states seat Supreme Court justices who protect congressional districts that cement minority rule. As Kagan puts it:

The ‘power, James Madison wrote, ‘is in the people over the Government, and not in the Government over the people.’ Free and fair and periodic elections are the key to that vision. The people get to choose their representatives. And then they get to decide, at regular intervals, whether to keep them.

Laying out the corrupting effect of the Maryland and North Carolina line drawing she adds that “[t]he majority disputes none of this.”

The majority just plans to do nothing to solve it.

Kagan then talks chillingly of how modern technology will make the problem catastrophically worse:

And gerrymanders will only get worse (or depending on your perspective, better) as time goes on—as data becomes ever more fine-grained and data analysis techniques continue to improve. What was possible with paper and pen—or even with Windows 95—doesn’t hold a candle (or an LED bulb?) to what will become possible with developments like machine learning. And someplace along this road, “we the people” become sovereign no longer.

All four liberal justices signed on to Kagan’s dissent. Accurately assessing how bad this decision is isn’t casual or uninformed doomsaying or emotional hyperbole. That said, we can fight back, and we must. I’ll post an action guide once I find a good one.

Edited by wisewillow on Jun 27th 2019 at 12:58:09 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283814: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:58:00 PM

At the very least, the Trump administration need a better justification than they've provided for it, and probably won't have one ready for the census.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283815: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:58:19 PM

You know the heatwave in Europe I posted about yesterday? Well, the heat map of it (which has already killed some people from "cold shock" by going from the extreme heat into cold to escape the heat) actually looks like a screaming face. Even the meterologist who first spotted it had never seen anything like it.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#283816: Jun 27th 2019 at 12:59:11 PM

Yeah, I agree it’s bad.

Especially when the majority in control will predictably use this to their advantage

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#283817: Jun 27th 2019 at 1:03:39 PM

[up][up]And now we know what it looks like when Mother Nature is screaming at us. Yay.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#283818: Jun 27th 2019 at 1:08:57 PM

So, I'd assume this new ruling(s) are bound to come up during the debate tonight. That should be interesting.

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i'm tired, my friend
#283819: Jun 27th 2019 at 1:12:20 PM

[up]4x That shit looks like a bill wurtz graphic.

i'm tired, my friend
SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#283820: Jun 27th 2019 at 1:13:28 PM

The European heatwave is a topic for the Anthropogenic Climate Change or a dedicated thread, not for this one.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#283821: Jun 27th 2019 at 1:59:18 PM

My feeling is this:As long as there is a congress and senate America's democracy survives ,lose ether of those and you have unchecked president,which really be the death of American democracy and the birth of American autocracy

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#283822: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:08:21 PM

Query: What notable US politicians in history have had claims of being the illegitimate child of another notable US politician?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#283823: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:34:06 PM

I asked Google and they say none,the real question why would anyone make such a claim?

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#283824: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:35:47 PM

Pelosi has caved, allowing the bill giving $6 billion to border control to pass without accommodations for migrant children. A number of democratic centrists revolted, tanking the democratic version of the bill. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/27/house-vote-emergency-border-package-1385222 Shame on her. This is fucking disgusting. She’s allowing funding directly to concentration camps. Anyone wanna argue how this is part of the plan? She can’t even lead her party.

Edited by fruitpork on Jun 27th 2019 at 7:39:57 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283825: Jun 27th 2019 at 4:40:44 PM

Because one mistake/failure is the end all be all, overwriting any past success?


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