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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#283626: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:28:59 PM

Well in that case I will dial down from infuriated to annoyed at Bernie for the evening tongue

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283627: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:30:38 PM

I on the other hand wasn't made angrier at Sanders by this in the first place.

Mainly because I've already gone past anger and am now in the "cold disgust" phase.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#283628: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:32:14 PM

On the whole "moderates" vs. base enthusiasm thing, I can't help but think the issue is two-fold.

Like, yes, the Democratic Party (both individual states, and federal) should take more in investing in who members are actually interested in, but also, I can't help but judge people for not voting because of lack of enthusiasm, especially with the situation actually being what it is.

Like, there's no part of the equation here that comes out looking totally blameless.

Sure, but for me at least, the thing about base enthusiasm is that it matters from a strictly practical perspective.

As someone who views Biden as unquestionably better than Trump, I certainly view with hostility the position that the latter winning doesn't matter but just because it's ugly doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

So the fact it's a bad look is true but irrelevant.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#283629: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:32:35 PM

There is no real point in staying in the race months after you already know it's mathematically impossible to win.

Win what? The nomination sure, but the primary race is about more than just the nomination and due to deal making and delegate variation there were still a ton of votes issues that by staying in Bernie had a chance to win.

Remember the primary isn’t a strait up vote for the candidate, it’s several small election to pick delegates who do a bunch of thing, the big one being selecting the candidate but there are other things delegates vote on and those thing matter.

[up][up] The “it was rigged” lie is pretty standard for Bernie, but be angry at that and not the fake shit the Vox ‘reporter’ is trying to drum up with a doctored transcript.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 26th 2019 at 8:35:00 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283630: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:33:51 PM

And here's a choice quote from the incoming CBP head:

When announcing Morgan's appointment to head ICE on May 5, Trump called him “a true believer and American Patriot.”

And just last week, Morgan vowed to enforce Trump’s plan, which has since been delayed, to ramp up arrests and deportations of families that have entered the country and had their asylum requests denied.

“If you come here with a child, that’s a passport in the United States,” Morgan said on the PBS News Hour. “Nothing happens to you. That’s a slippery slope, and no integrity in the system, and the rule of law is being eroded if we don’t apply consequences.”

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283631: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:34:11 PM

[up][up]Except he still kept trying to win somehow. Even to the point of his campaign appealing to super-delegates, in a bit of stunning hypocrisy (his campaign had previously derided the super-delegates as undemocratic).

Edited by M84 on Jun 26th 2019 at 4:34:38 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#283632: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:34:58 PM

The three videogame hardware manufacturers, Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony, have released a joint statement saying Trump's tariffs on China will hurt the videogame industry and pleading him to remove the part of the tariffs covering consoles.

Edited by tclittle on Jun 26th 2019 at 3:36:23 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283633: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:35:56 PM

Huh, those three actually managed to agree on something.

We truly are living in weird times.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#283635: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:38:43 PM

If Hillary didn’t have a big enough lead to win with all super delegates supporting her opponent than she hadn’t mathematically won yet, and again even once that race was over (and I agree that the end of the presidential primary showed that Bernie wanted to be the nominee whatever and didn’t care about playing dirty with super delegates) there were good reasons to campaign, because for some stupid reason the convention delegate selection is pared with the nominee selection.

The two should be split, have delegates be selected internally by district party groups and have the nominee selection just be a raw popular vote (if need be a staggered one) with transferable vote.

Paring the leader selection and the delegate selection is just weird, and I’ve voted in internal leadership election where one person can get five votes that all carry different weight.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 26th 2019 at 8:42:00 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#283636: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:53:59 PM

The_Donald subreddit has been quarantined by Reddit moderators over repeated rule violations.

The link is a direct link to the quarantine on the subreddit, but since you can't get to it, here's what was written:

Dear Mods,

We want to let you know that your community has been quarantined, as outlined in Reddit’s Content Policy.

The reason for the quarantine is that over the last few months we have observed repeated rule-breaking behavior in your community and an over-reliance on Reddit admins to manage users and remove posts that violate our content policy, including content that encourages or incites violence. Most recently, we have observed this behavior in the form of encouragement of violence towards police officers and public officials in Oregon. This is not only in violation of our site-wide policies, but also your own community rules (rule #9). You can find violating content that we removed in your mod logs.

As we have discussed in the past, and as detailed in our content policy and moderator guidelines, we expect you to enforce against rule-breaking content. You’ve made progress over the last year, but we continue to observe and take action on a disproportionate amount of rule-breaking behavior in this community. We recognize that you do remove posts that are reported, but we are troubled that violent content more often goes unreported, and worse, is upvoted.

User reports and downvotes are an essential way that Reddit functions to moderate content. Limiting or prohibiting them prevents you from moderating your community effectively. Because of this, we are disabling your custom styling in order to restore these essential functions.

As stated in our Moderator Guidelines, our goal is to keep the platform alive and vibrant, as well as to ensure your community can reach people interested in it. Accordingly, here are the specific terms of the quarantine and the next steps we are asking from you as a mod team to resolve this situation.

Quarantine terms:

Visitors to this community will see a warning that requires users to explicitly opt-in to viewing it. This messaging reminds users of the importance of reporting rule-breaking content.

Custom styling has been disabled to restore the report and downvote buttons.

We hope both these changes will help improve the signal around rule-breaking content and improve your ability to effectively address it.

Next steps:

You unambiguously communicate to your subscribers that violent content is unacceptable.

You communicate to your users that reporting is a core function of Reddit and is essential to maintaining the health and viability of the community.

Following that, we will continue to monitor your community, specifically looking at report rate and for patterns of rule-violating content.

Undertake any other actions you determine to reduce the amount of rule-violating content.

Following these changes, we will consider an appeal to lift the quarantine, in line with the process outlined here.

We hope that this process provides a viable way forward to restore the health of the community. However, if this situation continues to escalate, we will explore further actions, including the possible banning of your community.

Please confirm that you have received and understand this message.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
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#283637: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:55:36 PM

[up] The usual suspects are already having a meltdown over this and it's glorious.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#283638: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:56:39 PM

This is gonna be fun to watch.

Also the owners of reddit have confirmed that they have slightly more humanity than the people behind Twitter or Facebook.

Edit: And it’s confirmed to be only slightly more humanity, as this seems to be in response to the press running stories about how reddit allows threats of violence as longs as the threats are posted on the Trump sub, also a possible attempt to mobilise armed groups in Oregon.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 26th 2019 at 9:00:34 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#283639: Jun 26th 2019 at 1:59:04 PM

Never thought I'd see the day. At least, not until Trump is out of office, anyway.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#283640: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:00:35 PM

Eagerly anticipating all the drama from this one to be honest.

Oh really when?
MattC Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: My own grandpa
#283641: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:00:53 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Ha,Ha!

Edited by MattC on Jun 26th 2019 at 5:01:26 AM

"What do we say to the God of Death? Sean Bean is over there."
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283642: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:01:23 PM

Eh, "Quarantine" isn't exactly that strict - it's just a Content Warning about what the visitor will see on that forum, from what I've read.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#283643: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:04:18 PM

Sure but it blocks it from appearing on the rest of the site and think will ever eventually result in a full ban.

Apparently it’s specifically about violence against cops, basically they were making lots of threats against law enforcement in Oregon, there’s now press coverage and reddit is doing damage control before a cop gets shot and they get blamed for providing a planning space for domestic terrorism against law enforcement.

Edit: Actually I’m seeing that you need a full reddit account with a verified email to access it, so people just browsing the website can’t see it at all, you have to be logged into a register account with a real email address.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 26th 2019 at 9:06:12 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#283644: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:15:02 PM

That and apparently the subreddit was using custom styling to bury the reporting and downvoting functions, making it harder for users to report content for moderation. Not cool, guys.

I will stand back and enjoy their discomfiture.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 26th 2019 at 5:15:26 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283645: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:20:38 PM

Fuck me does Trump have a fragile ego, and the GOP is becoming more and more blatant in kowtowing to his Cult of Personality.

A friend on Facebook linked to this survey - 10 questions, of which the options for each one is "President Trump" or:

  • 1) "A MS-13 Loving Democrat"
  • 2) A Corrupt Democrat
  • 3) A Radical Socialist Democrat
  • 4) A Lying Democrat
  • 5) A High Tax Democrat
  • 6) A Sleazy Democrat
  • 7) A Lyin’ Democrat
  • 8) A Low Energy Democrat
  • 9) A Low IQ Democrat
  • 10) A Radical Socialist Democrat

Seriously - did they let Trump personally write this one, or what?

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#283646: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:20:48 PM

This comes far,far too late.I want to congratulate them but I can't when evidence suggests they allowed their platform to host that content

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 26th 2019 at 9:22:28 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283647: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:22:38 PM

And separate post because god fucking damn this asshole should be nowhere near a position of authority:

In an interview with Tucker Carlson, Mark Morgan, the incoming CBP chief, said - “I’ve been to detention facilities where I’ve walked up to these individuals that are so-called minors, 17 or under,” Morgan said on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” in January. “I’ve looked at them and I’ve looked at their eyes, Tucker — and I’ve said that is a soon-to-be MS-13 gang member. It’s unequivocal.”

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283648: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:37:24 PM

[up][up]Yeah, I'm also not inclined to give Reddit a cookie for this.

Disgusted, but not surprised
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#283649: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:39:54 PM

Honestly, Reddit has too many other problems for me to get anything more than amusement out of this. But, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t get that much from it.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#283650: Jun 26th 2019 at 2:53:50 PM

I mean, what gets me is just karmic the reasoning here is. Like, it was advocating violence towards police that made the hammer come down? That's too perfect; apparently Blue Lives only Matter when they're on your side.

So it's the naked hypocrisy that ends up biting them in the butt.


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