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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283576: Jun 26th 2019 at 4:46:07 AM

This subject is reminding me of something I've said before, that having the most progressive candidate in the world doesn't mean Jack if they can't get elected.

It seems like the older black people and others favoring Biden have a similar mindset, with past experience backing it up.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 26th 2019 at 5:46:46 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283577: Jun 26th 2019 at 4:49:04 AM

Having the most moderate candidate in the world also does no good if only a few republicans flip and their Dem base is too bored or depressed to show up to the polls. See: Indiana turnout since 2008.

Edited by wisewillow on Jun 26th 2019 at 4:49:23 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283578: Jun 26th 2019 at 4:51:48 AM

[up]Considering just how heavily Indiana leans Red, any Democratic candidate flipping a Red district is remarkable.

If you think the solution to that is even more leftwing candidates...well, good luck with that.

TBH, I'd actually like to see more progressives challenge Republican incumbents sitting comfortably in Red districts. Have them prove that people in said districts really do want progressive policies.

At the very least, it'd make life more difficult for said Republicans.

Edited by M84 on Jun 26th 2019 at 7:54:30 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283579: Jun 26th 2019 at 4:55:10 AM

If only to make the Republican sweat or see how much support the progressive can garner, win or lose.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283580: Jun 26th 2019 at 4:57:54 AM

I live here. Indiana is about 55-45 or 60-40 republican. Our legislature is about 80-20 not because of how red we are, but because of gerrymandering and the staggering incompetence of the Indiana Democratic Party. Also, “vote for me because I’m non threatening and basically a centrist republican” never, ever works here against “I have an R next to my name.”

Edited by wisewillow on Jun 26th 2019 at 4:58:19 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283581: Jun 26th 2019 at 4:59:07 AM

[up]That doesn't prove that having more progressive candidates is the key to changing that.

Actually having progressive candidates win would prove that.

Heck, maybe you ought to try running for a local office.

I'm serious.

Edited by M84 on Jun 26th 2019 at 7:59:45 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#283582: Jun 26th 2019 at 5:05:38 AM

It seems like black voters' reasons for supporting Biden are entirely cynical.


On an unrelated note, I did some digging as to how Larry Hogan is so damn popular in liberal Maryland. If WaPo and Baltimore Magazine are to be believed, it's because he's a "moderate" Republican who puts in the bare minimum of support for liberal policies when it's convenient for him who's supposedly fun to hang out with, and apparently that's all it takes.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jun 26th 2019 at 8:07:01 AM

i'm tired, my friend
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#283583: Jun 26th 2019 at 5:10:39 AM

Progressive firebrands are being elected in Democratic strongholds where there's already a concentration of Democratic voters, i.e. AOC taking over a seat in the Bronx and Ayanna Pressley taking a seat that represents the most diverse part of Boston. The Progressives trying to run in podunk areas of Flyover Country where the local political culture is tilted rightward have been losing not just generals, but primaries. Bernie's slate of candidates in this area mostly washed out, for example.

A seed needs the right soil to take root, and swing districts are comparatively barren.

[up]That's the same reason Charlie Baker is still popular across Massachusetts.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Jun 26th 2019 at 8:12:40 AM

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283584: Jun 26th 2019 at 5:11:18 AM

[up][up]Cynical, pragmatic...take your pick.

As for that "moderate" Republican's popularity in "liberal" Maryland...I've long held that just as not every Red State is completely rightwing, not every Blue State is completely leftwing either.

[up]Meaning until then, moderate Democratic candidates are still needed.

Edited by M84 on Jun 26th 2019 at 8:13:49 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#283585: Jun 26th 2019 at 5:17:30 AM

[up]I personally take it to mean that A) the standards for decent Republicans are just that low and B) Maryland's democrat population overall doesn't want the things they claim to as much as they say.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283586: Jun 26th 2019 at 5:19:40 AM

These are the same kind of people who would look at Biden and think "he's not so bad" while looking at Warren and think "oh geez".

They are the kind of people who are the reason Warren underperformed in her last Senate election, even though she did win handily.

Disgusted, but not surprised
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283587: Jun 26th 2019 at 5:29:26 AM

[up]x6

Maybe after the bar exam and after I work for a few years. Although my main concern would be whether I’d be a good fit for the seat/community; just having good ideas and good intentions doesn't mean you’re the best person for the job.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#283588: Jun 26th 2019 at 7:51:39 AM

N.R.A. Shuts Down Production of NRATV – The National Rifle Association shut down its live broadcasting arm on Tuesday night and severed ties with its estranged advertising firm

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/nra-nratv-ackerman-mcqueen.html

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#283589: Jun 26th 2019 at 7:58:02 AM

So presumably they have somewhere else to scream about the evils of the free press then.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#283590: Jun 26th 2019 at 7:59:24 AM

And nothing of value was lost.[tup]

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283591: Jun 26th 2019 at 8:00:09 AM

[up]Uncanny. I made that exact same comment in the Gun thread when it was brought up.

Edited by M84 on Jun 26th 2019 at 11:00:35 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#283592: Jun 26th 2019 at 8:05:49 AM

aw,I read it as N.R.A. Shuts Down and was like "YAY!" then I realised they meant their TV channel

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#283593: Jun 26th 2019 at 8:06:27 AM

I think the tone of the music I'm currently listening to is appropriate.

i'm tired, my friend
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283595: Jun 26th 2019 at 9:25:14 AM

In some really bizarre news, Highlights Magazine has officially condemned the Trump administration over his policies, especially in regards to the continued family separations and conditions in the facilities.

As a company that helps children become their best selves — curious, creative, caring, and confident — we want kids to understand the importance of having moral courage. Moral courage means standing up for what we believe is right, honest, and ethical — even when it is hard.

Our company's core belief, stated each month in Highlights magazine, is that 'Children are the world's most important people,'" he continued. "That is a belief about ALL children.

With this core belief in our minds and hearts, we denounce the practice of separating immigrant children from their families and urge our government to cease this activity, which is unconscionable and causes irreparable damage to young lives.

This is not a political statement about immigration policy. This is a statement about human decency, plain and simple. This is a plea for recognition that these are not simply the children of strangers for whom others are accountable. This is an appeal to elevate the inalienable right of all children to feel safe and to have the opportunity to become their best selves.

We invite you — regardless of your political leanings — to join us in speaking out against family separation and to call for more humane treatment of immigrant children currently being held in detention facilities," he urged. "Write, call, or email your government representatives.

Let our children draw strength and inspiration from our collective display of moral courage. They are watching.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 26th 2019 at 12:26:57 PM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283596: Jun 26th 2019 at 9:39:08 AM

Good for them. They didn’t have to say anything but they chose to take a stand. [tup]

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#283597: Jun 26th 2019 at 10:07:45 AM

What "loopholes" are they talking about when they say the immigration laws need to have loopholes closed?

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#283598: Jun 26th 2019 at 10:08:06 AM

[up][up]a track I made for an album some years ago. Its ultimately an instrumental but the happy mood of the track fit.

i'm tired, my friend
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#283599: Jun 26th 2019 at 10:14:34 AM

Age is a major factor, but Nate Silver put out a breakdown of that that was posted here a while back then ignored for the most part, its not so much that the age brackets have different stances or desires here.... its that the older candidates have had the experience of watching there preferred less moderate candidate getting beaten down when the election goes from the primaries to the general election....

And they are not willing to repeat that same mistake agian, leading too.

Yes, and that's shortsighted and reactive. Beyond electability being a giant self-fulfilling prophecy "moderates" lack the ambition and drive to engage in the kind of large scale change that we need, and we need now.

Just look at Biden, he relentlessly lionizes bipartisanship despite it being idiotic and irrational given the people we're opposing. Not to mention his extreme reluctance to provide actual policy and positions beyond trite soundbites like "curing cancer".

They're just wrong, hopefully, they will realize their mistake and sink Biden's ill-conceived and worthless candidacy.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 26th 2019 at 10:16:46 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#283600: Jun 26th 2019 at 10:24:10 AM

[up][up][up]They want to kill the Flores settlement so they can go back to holding families indefinitely. "Loopholes" in their mind is any impediment to their cruelty.


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