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RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#283376: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:04:54 AM

@ More conservative militia uprisings.

Perhaps it's time to look at Guantanamo Bay for stuff like this...

Edited by RainingMetal on Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:05:33 AM

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Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#283377: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:04:55 AM

It sucks that if an armed response happens it has to go absolutely perfectly, no fatalities, no nothing, but we've learned what happens when it doesn't. It helped scare off the feds from doing anything about white domestic terrorists for over a decade. There's definitely other factors, but Oklahoma City isn't a small one.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#283378: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:10:26 AM

Yet not standing up to violent far-Right groups also gives them what they want - a carte blanche to continue.

I'd really rather it not come to shooting, but we cannot allow these hard-Right militias to stop Oregon's government from enacting policy, it would be tantamount to a Republican coup.

I have mixed feelings about Carbon Taxes in general, but this is ridiculous.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#283379: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:13:10 AM

If we can't open fire on them, the least we can do is send police, SWAT, National Guard, whoever we need to round up and arrest these guys.

i'm tired, my friend
MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#283380: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:21:10 AM

Yeah there is a law forbidding use of military action on US citizens like that. Came about in 1878 and was not after the Bonus Army incident, was incorrect.

Edited by MarkVonLewis on Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:24:09 PM

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#283381: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:23:54 AM

Posse Commitatus? Forbids the Army to act as police. National Guard is fair game, though

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#283382: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:24:28 AM

Ah, ok. Whoops, I'm wrong here.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#283383: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:30:43 AM

@sgamer82: "Internment camp" is just an alternate name for "concentration camp", actually.

@Fighteer: How odd that when I said something that is more or less similar in meaning months ago here, I got censured by practically everyone for being too "bloodthirsty".

Edited by MarqFJA on Jun 23rd 2019 at 9:31:44 PM

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#283384: Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:36:01 AM

And now posters are doing the same to him and others for acting too rash. And?

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#283385: Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:04:06 PM

Guys, what are you talking about? Like, seriously, you're talking like things are currently in an armed stand off right at this moment. Which is far from my understanding of the situation. It is really kind of scary how you're going right to an extreme solution when so far it just appears that some people are one, simply failing to appear, and most of them aren't trying to hook up with a militia, it's just the one guy making threats.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#283386: Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:07:32 PM

I'll take this chance to repost a video that made me rethink my positions about violent revolution as the last worst resort. Basically, it will involve a lot of suffering and horror. And, in the case of countries where many very different cultures coexist under a common cause, rather than the reverse, it can likely lead to Balkanize Me. Nobody wants a fractured USA.

Sorry for reposting the same dude again, but he consistently changes my mind on things, and I thought his take was original and different.

Edited by Oruka on Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:10:09 PM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#283387: Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:16:32 PM

To be fair, the military cannot act as police under normal circumstances. There are procedures too suspend that separation if necessary.

Leviticus 19:34
Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#283388: Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:17:06 PM

[up][up][up] To me, at least, it's less that there isn't outright violence (yet) and more that this is an escalation of an already disturbing trend in the Pacific Northwest.

Edited by Bur on Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:18:19 PM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#283389: Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:35:49 PM

I think the most important thing for the Democrats is that they're now in a situation where they cannot back down. Their authority is on the line at this point, so they have to follow through. And, by that, I'm talking about arrests, not shoot-outs.

If the Oregon Republicans really do want a coup to happen the big problem will be whether or not the wider GOP and Trump administration will legitimise the coup — which is a possibility — especially since this situation was triggered by climate change legislation. For Trump and the wider GOP, the chance to legitimise the Republican action while at the same time delegitimising the original legislation will be like killing two birds with one stone.

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The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#283390: Jun 23rd 2019 at 1:40:36 PM

[up] Of course them approving it would easily backfire on them. There are already calls to impeach Trump and a coup in any part of the nation in their name would likely ignite backlash.

When it comes to power grabs, failure in any aspect opens up opportunities to the rightful owners to take it back. The GOP certainly would take every opportunity they can to throw threats to their power away from anything that gives them power if they could. The key word is "could".

What this means if that Trump and the GOP would only approve something like this is they are certain no one can offer meaningful resistance, but also means that the Democrats must not let the coup go unchallenged, lest Trump gets a golden opportunity to test how much the systems used to keep him and his party in check can take before breaking apart at the seams.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#283391: Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:04:04 PM

Guys, what are you talking about? Like, seriously, you're talking like things are currently in an armed stand off right at this moment. Which is far from my understanding of the situation. It is really kind of scary how you're going right to an extreme solution when so far it just appears that some people are one, simply failing to appear, and most of them aren't trying to hook up with a militia, it's just the one guy making threats.

The Republicans are deliberately going into hiding to frustrate the legislative process, that itself deserves arrest.

A militia group has offered them "security and transportation", if they interfere with arrest it's perfectly reasonable to arrest them as well. And if they use violence against law enforcement when they're a clear and present threat and violence becomes entirely justified.

Unprovoked violence should not be employed but if they fire first I don't see any reason for law enforcement to avoid dealing with them, lethally or otherwise.

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#283392: Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:06:29 PM

The Republicans are deliberately going into hiding to frustrate the legislative process, that itself deserves arrest.

Not sgowing up to work. Isn't that tantamount to resignation?

Edited by Oruka on Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:06:54 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#283393: Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:07:51 PM

Not sgowing up to work. Isn't that tantamount to resignation?

As much as I like it to be, I don't think it is.

Otherwise, they wouldn't try it.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#283394: Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:20:53 PM

I'm not sure skipping work is an arrestable offense. The police were instructed to just bring them back to the chamber.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#283395: Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:55:37 PM

Doesn't forcing people somewhere against their will constitute arrest?

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#283396: Jun 23rd 2019 at 2:58:46 PM

Buttigieg had a town hall today about the police shooting last week where a white cop shot and killed a Black man. Spoilers: it did not go well.

Buttigieg’s lack of popularity among black voters nationally — a crucial demographic for winning the Democratic primary and then the presidency – was already one of his biggest weaknesses in a contest dominated by racial justice issues like never before. Buttigieg had recently been laying the groundwork to win over some of those skeptical voters in states such as South Carolina.

But now the shooting has highlighted the racial tension right on Buttigieg’s home turf, revealing for a national audience the pain and anger that has long festered among South Bend’s black residents.

...

His mere existence as a liberal force in conservative Indiana suggested an alternative path for Democrats fighting to rebuild support in the nation’s heartland.

But at home, Buttigieg is a much more common figure in American politics: a white politician struggling to connect with his black constituents, whose lives are plagued by grinding poverty and violence that their wunderkind mayor has been unable to repair after seven years in office.

“You might as well just withdraw your name from the presidential race,” said a woman in the raucous crowd. “His presidential campaign is over... I believe that today ended his campaign.”

South Bend police said that Sgt. Ryan O’Neill shot Eric Jack Logan, 53, in the parking lot of an apartment complex. O’Neill was responding to reports of cars being burglarized. When he approached Logan, he said, the man threatened him with a knife.

The sergeant didn’t turn on his body camera as required, leaving black residents, already skeptical of their police department after past controversies, in doubt of the sergeant’s side of the story.

...

Even before the tensions in South Bend became news, Buttigieg’s campaign rallies and town halls in predominantly black neighborhoods around the country had attracted mostly white voters. Buttigieg has tried to bolster his support from black voters with events including a much-publicized fried-chicken lunch with Al Sharpton in Harlem.

...

Buttigieg has canceled many campaign events and met with community members since the shooting. But his decision to slip away to the South Carolina Democratic Convention for a speech on Saturday created a sense among some residents that Buttigieg’s attention is elsewhere.

“You went to South Carolina when you got something here in your own city,” said Komaneach Wheeler, a 39-year-old community activist, who added with mock wonder in her voice: “Why don’t you want to talk to us?”

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#283397: Jun 23rd 2019 at 3:08:22 PM

It sounds like he made at least made some of the right moves like speaking to the residents about the issue,but he didn't spend enough time with them so they felt he didn't care.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283398: Jun 23rd 2019 at 3:08:32 PM

Yes, the black citizens of his home town are infuriated and have pretty much united in denouncing him as an empty suit.

I'm sad for the guy but I wish less Democrats threw their hat in the ring versus rallying behind candidates.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 23rd 2019 at 3:10:36 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#283399: Jun 23rd 2019 at 3:57:03 PM

I'd have sympathy for Mayor Pete if he hadn't said that Franken shouldn't have resigned, but he did so I don't.

He deserves all of that and more.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 23rd 2019 at 4:07:17 AM

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#283400: Jun 23rd 2019 at 4:25:47 PM

He’s run into the absent political problem, he’s still got a job he’s meant to be doing while he runs his campaign, it’s extra obviate him because unlike the national political figures in the race he can’t use doing his job as a campaigning mechanism as easily.

I was already looking at the younger men in the race (Beto, Castro and mayor Pete) more as VP candidates than presidential candidates, I’m becoming less and less keen on mayor Pete as even a VP choice as things go on.

[up] Yeah between the two incidents he’s going to have alienated a lot of black voters and a lot of women voters, that’s a hefty chunk of the Democratic Party.

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