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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#283276: Jun 22nd 2019 at 7:26:44 AM

Successful politicians are good at playing the room, and that's something today's age of every statement being instantaneously public has found difficult to reconcile.

As far as Biden's views towards the wealthy, this is probably the most truthful he's being. But if he's saying their standard of living wouldn't change, there are a number of possibilities that make that statement true — the average billionaire would have to be taxed into oblivion to actually degrade their standard of living while disproportionately improving the lives of the poor. That's not what he's literally saying, but I'm sure the spin doctors will use that interpretation in an attempt to smooth over the blowback.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283277: Jun 22nd 2019 at 7:34:06 AM

This all seems like part of Biden's whole strategy of appealing to people nostalgic for a time when the Democratic Party and the GOP weren't so polarized.

Unfortunately, I can see this being attractive to a lot of people. Especially those who still aren't committed to either party.

Disgusted, but not surprised
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283278: Jun 22nd 2019 at 7:52:40 AM

Speaking of Buttigieg scandal, cops shot/killed a Black man in South Bend this week. Pete... isn’t handling it very well.

2020 Democratic hopeful and South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg told protesters in his city on Friday that there will be a review of the police department after a white officer shot and killed a black man without his bodycam on. "I'm not asking for your vote," Buttigieg told one protester, who responded "you're not going to get it."

The protester told Buttigieg "You are truly running for president and you want black people to vote for you. You [are] running for president and you want black people to vote for you — that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. That's not going to happen."

"I'm not asking for your vote," Buttigieg responded. "I will promise that there will be a review to make sure that there is no racism on this department and that it will be independent."

...

South Bend has been shaken by the shooting, and Buttigieg has spent much of the week off the campaign trail and in the city. On Saturday, Eric Logan, a 53-year-old black man, was shot and killed by South Bend Police Sgt. Ryan O'Neill.

Prosecutors say O'Neill was responding to a report of a person breaking into cars when he encountered Logan in an apartment building parking lot. O'Neill told authorities that Logan had a knife, and when he refused the officer's orders to drop it, O'Neill opened fire, shooting Logan in the stomach. Another officer took Logan in a squad car to the hospital, where he later died.

Earlier this week, Buttigieg said he would reaffirm the South Bend Police Department's policy on body cameras. He left the campaign trail for part of the week to handle the situation in South Bend, and canceled plans to attend South Carolina Democratic Rep. Jim Clyburn's annual fish fry.

Buttigieg said Friday "I do not have evidence that there has been discipline for racist behavior."

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283279: Jun 22nd 2019 at 7:55:41 AM

Buttigieg seems pretty pissed about this. At least he's prioritizing this over campaigning.

Edited by M84 on Jun 22nd 2019 at 10:58:38 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#283280: Jun 22nd 2019 at 7:57:09 AM

"I do not have evidence that there has been discipline for racist behavior."

Christ on a stick, I hate politicians talking like they just arrived from outer space and don't know how actual humans communicate.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283281: Jun 22nd 2019 at 7:59:27 AM

[up]He's basically admitting that not enough was done to curb bigotry in the police department.

Disgusted, but not surprised
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283282: Jun 22nd 2019 at 8:00:08 AM

[up]

That made me think of Mad TV's "Smith Comma John: Human Being for President" sketch.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#283283: Jun 22nd 2019 at 8:01:22 AM

On one hand, it's sometimes tough to find the right words when you know everything you say will be scrutinized by everyone.

OTOH, that's a skill any politician should have figured out asap.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#283284: Jun 22nd 2019 at 8:35:17 AM

Well, I think it’s more a reflection of how closely scrutinized verbiage and syntax have become. It becomes harder to craft a natural sounding sentence when you’re a Slave to PR. Not even political skill can carry you that far.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Jun 22nd 2019 at 11:37:29 AM

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#283285: Jun 22nd 2019 at 9:05:40 AM

Christ on a stick, I hate politicians talking like they just arrived from outer space and don't know how actual humans communicate.
It's a catch 22. If you're not careful about your phrasing in order to make sure you're saying exactly what you mean and nothing else, then people will take your words and twist them into something you didn't mean — either innocently because they just misread you, or deliberately in order to make you look bad. If you are careful about what you say and try to minimize those kinds of misunderstandings, then people think you sound "like a politician" rather than being genuine and open.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#283286: Jun 22nd 2019 at 9:17:14 AM

Oh hey, Oregon's capitol shut down today over those militia threats. Given one of the militias (the 3%ers) took part in the Yee-hawd with the wildlife refuge, I can't exactly blame them for being cautious.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 22nd 2019 at 12:21:01 PM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#283287: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:33:36 PM

So AOC apparently poked a Hornet's Nest with her comparison of ICE camps and concentration camps....

Whats your opinion on this?

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Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#283288: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:34:06 PM

When Jewish legal scholars are agreeing with the assessment I think it's pretty apt.

Oh really when?
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#283289: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:35:30 PM

She's right.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#283290: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:36:02 PM

My opinion is that it's pretty fucking accurate, and anyone who is offended by the comparison should take a good long look at why they find it so offensive. And then punch themselves in the crotch.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#283291: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:40:23 PM

You can't learn about the conditions of these places and not think about concentration camps. I'm in agreement with all the above.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#283292: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:45:22 PM

The issue people are primarily taking is that the camps aren't extermination camps,they're concentration camps sure,but until people see piles of bodies I don't think they're going to change their minds

China is also running concentration camps under the guise of "reeducation camps" and people outside readily accept that they are concentration camps,the reason is that China authoritarian rule makes it believable

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#283293: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:47:50 PM

Problem is whenever you call them that the result is a long chain of every conservative in the discussion lining up to scream at you for daring to say it.

Usually involving cries of BUT OBAMA and stuff.

Edited by Deadbeatloser22 on Jun 22nd 2019 at 9:48:18 AM

"Yup. That tasted purple."
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#283294: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:48:51 PM

Yes because its the Emperor, he cannot be naked!

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#283295: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:49:28 PM

In a strictly grammatical terms, there's no other way to define them other than concentration camps. They're camps where people are concentrated under similar logistics as the previous concentration camps for Asians in America, for the Natives also in America, for the Africans in the Boer War, and yes, for the targets of Nazi Germany in WWII.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#283296: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:59:27 PM

[up]Africans in the Boer War? You mean the British round-up of Boer civilians that went very badly (mainly because they acted first, and then the sheer scope of the logistics and expense involved clobbered everybody with the consequences — it was only upon rounding people up that the British kind of had to face some issues they'd been ignoring: they hadn't known the actual population numbers, had constantly underestimated how many Boers there actually were and had just destroyed the local food supply network by rounding up most of the farmers and taking them off their farms, since wives and kids were also important farmhands and produce sellers/ suppliers)?

Or what happened in German Southwest Africa soon afterward? Those were concentration and deliberate extermination camps for the Nama and Herero peoples. Early draughts for what Germany did later. :/

Edited by Euodiachloris on Jun 22nd 2019 at 10:14:59 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#283297: Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:01:05 PM

I might have conflated the two by accident, but I was thinking of the first. In either case, I suppose the point is made.

Edited by Gaon on Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:02:43 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#283298: Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:02:42 PM

They are concentration camps. There's no dodging this. Republicans are acting all offended for their Fox News viewers, because their political strategy involves dehumanizing immigrants and convincing people that they deserve whatever treatment they get. If anyone in that circle of propaganda actually realizes what's going on, they'll be lost, so they must keep the information bubble as closed as possible.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 22nd 2019 at 5:03:32 AM

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#283299: Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:05:29 PM

Reading about the close call with the possibility of right-wing militias openly clashing with LEOs, I can't help the feeling that a bloody clash will happen sooner or later. It's not like they're going to willingly let go of their sacred Second Amendment "rights", you know.

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