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#283101: Jun 20th 2019 at 12:53:32 PM

Seems like they’re trying to goad the US, or something, which is baffling. A show of bravado or trying to get the US to play chicken? Obviously all-out war with the US puts them firmly on the losing side. They know that.

They know that pretty much the entire international community and most of the United States doesn't want this war to happen. We're already in the shit internationally over Trump breaking Obama's deal with them.

Iran doesn't actually want a war with us. It would be costly, brutal, and one-sided. They aren't anywhere near stupid or suicidal enough to declare one.

But if Trump attacks them? It makes them into the clear and inarguable victims of an unjust war started by an unprecedentedly unpopular American President. So long as they can avoid complete annihilation in the shooting conflict, they will destroy Trump in the Court of Public/International Opinion.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 20th 2019 at 1:54:01 PM

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#283104: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:01:32 PM

[up]I am really sick of this shit. In Rome, they'd force these guys to kill themselves.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 20th 2019 at 1:02:18 AM

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#283105: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:02:35 PM

> they will destroy Trump in the Court of Public/International Opinion.

He's already done that by the nature of being well,Trump,so there's really no need for them to do

And once again a reminder that Trump can't declare without the backing of congress

[up]Well,I'm glad they're not in Rome

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 20th 2019 at 8:03:29 AM

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#283106: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:04:42 PM

Meh, these kinds of legislative boycotts aren't an uncommon thing. Democrats did it in Wisconsin and Texas too.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283107: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:04:50 PM

I'm not sincerely wishing it but the sheer childishness and psychopathic inability to do their offices justice is infuriating.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#283108: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:09:43 PM

[up][up]Civil disobedience is a longstanding practice, of course. But did any of them threaten to kill the people who came after them? There are very different frameworks at play here.

Edited by Eschaton on Jun 20th 2019 at 1:13:02 AM

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#283109: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:11:02 PM

The problem isn't that they're going to extreme measures to prevent legislation they disagree with (as has been pointed out, Democrats have pulled similar tricks in GOP-controlled states and generally been cheered for it), the problem is that the legislation they're so dead-set against is environmental protection legislation.

Taking a principled stand for your beliefs is only admirable when your beliefs aren't complete shit.

And of course, threatening to shoot law enforcement officers over it is just batshit insanity.

Edited by NativeJovian on Jun 20th 2019 at 4:11:44 AM

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#283110: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:13:12 PM

Roy Moore announces he'll run for he Senate again in 2020.

I was about to post this, darn [nja]

I dearly hope that the Republican primary voters prove themselves to be exactly as vile and wretched as I know them to be.

If he wins the primary then the odds of Jones holding the seat would increase significantly, and that would entirely change the calculus for Democrats taking control of the Senate.

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#283111: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:13:39 PM

> threatening to shoot law enforcement officers over it is just batshit insanity.

I'm trying to imagine one of them holding a gun and the convo being like

"Sir,that is a potato gun.."

"shut up damn it"

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#283112: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:17:29 PM

[up][up][up]And from what little I know of the issue, cap-and-trade is not even a radical environmental policy to take. (Unless your preferred policy is "none," I suppose).

Edited by Eschaton on Jun 20th 2019 at 1:19:16 AM

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#283113: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:19:11 PM

[up]

Yeah, the problem with that...

“Nothing thinly veiled,” Boquist wrote. “I have been in political coup attempts. I have been held hostage overseas. I have been jailed politically overseas … Not going to be arrested as a political prisoner in Oregon period.”

As Willamette Week has reported, Boquist is a U.S. Army veteran whose businesses include military training and an international operation that journalists described in the 1990s as a paramilitary force of armed American and Russian ex-military officers.

Boquist contends that state troopers only have the power to enforce criminal violations and arrest warrants, not to compel absent lawmakers to return to the Capitol during a legislative session.

So the guy has the training, and seemingly the willingness to actually do it. The hypocrisy at play here, though, is astounding - whatever happened to "Blue Lives Matter"?

And the shitty thing is, the guy has actually done some good - a quick Googling of him led me to a hard-line Oregon firearms association (on-par with the NRA for stance) in which he defiantly told them to piss off while he tried to help prevent suicides legislatively, especially those of former military personnel.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 20th 2019 at 4:22:38 AM

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#283114: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:20:59 PM

He's going to shoot at LEOs who come to make him do his job. You know what, I'm at the point where I'd be happy to see that. Go right ahead, bud.

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#283115: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:21:54 PM

And from what little I know of the issue, cap-and-trade is not even a radical environmental policy to take.
It is not. Cap and trade laws place limits on the amount of carbon emissions that companies are allowed to produce (that's the "cap" part) but also allow companies to sell each other their carbon allotments (that's the "trade" part). The idea is that it creates a total maximum allowed carbon pollution, but uses market forces to encourage companies to innovate and invest in low-carbon solutions to whatever their particular industry is.

It's a pretty boilerplate center-right free market solution to an environmental problem. Republicans hate it anyway.

Edited by NativeJovian on Jun 20th 2019 at 4:22:23 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283116: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:41:05 PM

I'm of the mind that Roy Moore isn't objectively worse than most of the Republicans these days as Trump is also a sexual predator involved in rape cases.

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#283117: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:57:38 PM

I'm of the mind that Roy Moore isn't objectively worse than most of the Republicans these days as Trump is also a sexual predator involved in rape cases.

Well, that's true on a personal level. At the very least.

But that's why Moore winning in the primary would be a great thing. It would give Jones a very real chance of holding the seat.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 20th 2019 at 1:58:10 AM

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#283118: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:12:18 PM

Because the black voters that put him in the first time would come out to make sure he stays there?

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#283119: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:14:53 PM

That and the Republicans who stayed home would stay home again.

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#283120: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:20:28 PM

I'm terrified that white people in Alabama will fuck this up in the most Alabaman of ways, though

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#283121: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:20:51 PM

[up]x2 Except they won't, because Trump is going to be on the ballot. It could be possible for them to Vote for Trump and Jones, but there's no way Trump won't be telling Alabamans to vote for the Republican, be it Moore or anyone else, and Trumpeteers won't go against their man.

Our only hope is to (miraculously) flip the State Blue, at least Nationally.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jun 20th 2019 at 5:21:28 AM

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#283122: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:41:06 PM

Ehh. People voted against Moore despite Trump's instructions the first time. No reason to think that Trump being directly on the ballot means they won't do so again.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#283123: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:50:17 PM

Except they won't, because Trump is going to be on the ballot. It could be possible for them to Vote for Trump and Jones, but there's no way Trump won't be telling Alabamans to vote for the Republican, be it Moore or anyone else, and Trumpeteers won't go against their man.

Our only hope is to (miraculously) flip the State Blue, at least Nationally.

Then Moore wins and Alabama has a Republican whose policies are no worse than others.

I'll concede that I wasn't accounting for the Presidential election, so it probably won't help us. But it can't hurt us.

And if Moore wins then he'll do stupid shit that embarrasses the Republicans.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 20th 2019 at 2:52:13 AM

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#283124: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:50:24 PM

Yeah they could either split the ballot or (more likely) abstain on the senate race.

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#283125: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:52:08 PM

Democratic turnout is better in presidential elections, so who knows how this will shake out.


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