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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283026: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:35:34 PM

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If you believe racists will only elect X and that the racists are more than the non-racists then you assume you have to cater to racists to win.

Pffft

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#283027: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:37:22 PM

I'm not sure if I'd call it populism or not, but I would say the line of reasoning that "we need to stop focusing on identity politics to work on the economy" pretty dangerous. Indeed, my biggest criticism of the left is that it can have a very reductivist view of society and some leftists tend to believe that all problems are really just symptoms wealth inequality. Some even advocate actively ignoring issues like racism altogether. These types don't truly want society to be diverse or tolerant, they simply want it to be flat.

[up]Honestly I'd advise against appealing to racists. It's a faustian bargain that comes back to bite you-once you they become a notable part of your supporters, they really do own stock in your soul and can manipulate you with that.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Jun 19th 2019 at 7:40:33 AM

Leviticus 19:34
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#283028: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:37:29 PM

[up][up]Replace "racists" with "sexists" or "misogynists" and you have part of why I'm on team Warren, even with the wealth tax issues (another reason being that I'm of the opinion that Silicon Valley is the breeding ground of the new robber-barons).

A Woman, a PoC, or a LGBT person being president would stop that self fulfilling prophecy.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 19th 2019 at 8:01:34 AM

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Lost in Space
#283029: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:46:30 PM

For myself, I am not optimistic about the wealth tax on constitutional grounds: I think it will fail. Warren may be eyeing amendments to make it legitimate; that's even less likely to succeed. It's still worth talking about, though.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#283030: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:58:54 PM

This administration is really making me hate the EPA.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283031: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:01:27 PM

The EPA is dead.

What has replaced it is the Ministry of the Environment by Big Brother.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#283032: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:03:23 PM

It's amazing (in a horrible way) how some people rail against Orwellian actions from politicians unless it's Republicans doing it

Do not obey in advance.
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#283033: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:04:08 PM

It seems like a massive design flaw that a new president can change its leadership on a whim.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283034: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:06:37 PM

Any flaws about quick change implies fails in the face of the fact that conservatives tend to benefit from that.

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#283035: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:12:58 PM

Racists and the like are parasites. Don't appeal to them, fight them. Treat them like Mooks, and your life will be a lot easier.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#283036: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:18:00 PM

It was mentioned on the previous page but a repeal of the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force is actually a reduction of presidential authority. The language in that is what’s allowed US presidents to send the military anywhere so long as they can connect it to terrorism.

The Obama admin in particular pushed that AUMF to its absolute limits.

They should have sent a poet.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#283037: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:18:53 PM

A white middle aged man? Really? Was that poll taken at Silicon Valley?

It was taken from a Democratic Party whose two biggest front runners are Biden and Sander. Is it really a surprise that when asked about their ideal candidate, they essentially described the two most popular candidates?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#283038: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:20:55 PM

I mean, Biden and Sanders aren't middle-aged.

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Asgore Adopts Noelle
#283039: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:27:34 PM

And Sanders isn't White.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jun 19th 2019 at 11:27:44 AM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#283040: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:30:24 PM

To be fair, I suspect that the people being polled believe that middle-aged white man might have an easier time getting elected. Perhaps because they saw polls like the one they're being put in front of.

Ah, circular reasoning, got to love it.

In seriousness, I'd actually recommend against a white man. People secretly kind of want minority presidents, because they like writing history. For example, when Obama was running for president, a lot of people were saying "hey man, wouldn't it be cool to see the first black president in our lifetimes?", and even at the time I kind of agreed.

To be fair, I might argue that with Obama the novelty might have worn off, but I still think running a woman or maybe a different ethnic minority might work.

Leviticus 19:34
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#283041: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:31:59 PM

[up][up]Not all Jewish people are white, but Sanders absolutely is.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#283042: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:32:05 PM

[up][up][up][up]True, but the upper limit for middle aged in the poll was 65, and the majority of people being polled still picked Biden and Sanders by name as their ideal candidates.

Edited by Parable on Jun 19th 2019 at 8:32:27 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#283043: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:36:28 PM

I'd say most people would consider Sanders white. The kind of people who wouldn't, typically have various unsavory views on a lot of things.

[up][up][up]I've actually been a bit surprised by that, considering the potential for a "historic" President exists for so many of the candidates, for various reasons, that that angle hasn't been played up more yet. It's still fairly early, obviously, but even so.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 19th 2019 at 10:38:43 AM

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Oh, bother.
#283044: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:44:07 PM

I'll be impressed when we elect an openly atheist President. We are after all one of the least trusted demographics in the USA.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#283045: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:44:20 PM

@DingoWalley1:

Yes.
I assume you're answering the question about the passed bill?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
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Asgore Adopts Noelle
#283046: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:47:33 PM

[up] Yes, the Senate would have to pass the War Deauthorization Bill.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283047: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:51:41 PM

Sadly, Hillary won't be our first female President.

I'm all for Warren breaking polls.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#283048: Jun 19th 2019 at 9:09:26 PM

"I'll be impressed when we elect an openly atheist President. We are after all one of the least trusted demographics in the USA."

The Religious Left probably made the possibility of that happening near-zero. That faction has basically triangulated atheism back to the margin. It means, for the faithful, The Moral Substitute will always be available.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#283049: Jun 19th 2019 at 9:19:41 PM

Speaking as the Religious Left...sorry?

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i'm tired, my friend
#283050: Jun 19th 2019 at 9:22:49 PM

Forgive me, but since when did the Religious Left have any kind of presence?

i'm tired, my friend

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