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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Concerning that Biden Link somebody posted a page ago or so: Seriously, nothing surprises me anymore.
Biden might as well be Trump's brother, as far as I'm concerned. Why is this guy even a democrat?
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Going that far is genuinely unfair, as Trump is actively hurtful - Biden is just buying wholly into the Golden Mean Fallacy here, which makes me far less enthused at the idea of him being the nominee.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Sanders has commented on Warren's growing momentum, his response was to a politico article about how centrists are flocking to Warren
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So now Sanders is pretty clearly saying that Warren is a puppet of the Party's Corporate wing. Which is so goddamn infuriating, Warren is just as progressive as Sanders is. She's jsut willing to provide substantive policy and commit to being a Democrat.
That's terrible, I hope her momentum continues to grow so he can shown that he isn't the fucking messiah.
Indeed.
I find a quote from MLK to be quite pertinent.
Biden is significantly more simlar to the White Moderate, Trump is the White Citizen Counciler.
So Biden is well worth disparaging but we shouldn't lose perspective.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 19th 2019 at 1:18:23 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangTrue, but White Moderate is a specific ideological position. White Voters becoming more progressive simply means there are fewer White Moderates, not that they aren't a stumbling block to racial equality.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang...Why did this thread like Sanders again?
Seriously, I never got why so many people in OTC apparently loved Sanders back in the day.
This populist garbage he's been spewing since practically day one was a huge fucking red flag to me.
Edited by M84 on Jun 19th 2019 at 5:00:23 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
In my case, because he'd actually have agitated towards getting the Overton Window pushed leftward, while Clinton was more "business-as-usual", which is naive as hell when the GOP is being led by McConnell.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 19th 2019 at 5:05:59 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"This thread never liked Sanders, there’s generally been one or two people who float by that like Sanders, but the thread genrally has always been largely against him.
The thread however I think has always liked the broad goals that Sanders has pushed, but at times it’s been hard to split the man from the mission, the strong support that Warren has here rather shows that this thread likes Sanders (broad) ideas, just not him personally.
This thread has generally been very anti-Sanders the man, in part I think because some people did believe the hype for a time and reacted strongly to seeing that Sanders is a very flawed man.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThis place is probably the place where I'd see the most Sanders hate. I mentioned before that it seems like an Americans Hate Tingle thing here.
ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.Black lawmakers get Biden's back amid 'segregationist' uproar
Obviously you can still disagree with them, but interesting nonetheless.
This is pretty much exactly my position.
I liked Sanders at first but he never really changed his message which began to cause me to sour on him. And then, of course, he's done his various clueless or otherwise thoughtless statements and I became more hostile to him.
Black lawmakers get Biden's back amid 'segregationist' uproar
Obviously you can still disagree with them, but interesting nonetheless.
I don't understand why they would tolerate this.
Whatever, they're wrong. No one should brag about working with segregationists, it's simply another sign of how terrible Biden is.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 19th 2019 at 2:26:11 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI can't believe any leftist would see more centrists being attracted to leftist policies as a bad thing, unless they're accelerationists who want to be a Doomed Moral Victor, dogmatic extremists who see centrists as the enemynote , or just plain sour grapes. It's not like Warren said she'd water down her goals in order to appease them, it just means what she's offering sounds appealing enough that maybe the Overton Window is legitimately shifting. And those are the words straight from Sanders' mouth, which makes it extra hard to dismiss as people with an axe to grudge. It's made me lose a ton of sympathy for him.
Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 19th 2019 at 6:01:32 AM
Populism is the appeal to ordinary people that feel ignored by the existing rulers. The New Deal was founded on the prinicple of populism and it achieved a lot of good even if Roosevelt crossed the Moral Event Horizon for me in WW2 with Japanese internment.
Mind you, I feel your opinion of it depends greatly if you feel ordinary people have been ignored by the establishment if not are outright dying because of it.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 19th 2019 at 3:02:23 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I don't consider populism to be inherently negative, but it is by its very nature vulnerable to Othering and Anti-intellectualism.
I would in no way be surprised if more often then not populism causes more harm then it solves.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangMy criticism of populism is that appealing to the lowest common denominator makes for very poor real world policies.
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Oof, seems Biden told a massive whopper at that rally, too - in short, he promised to cure cancer under his Presidency
. Can't help but wonder if that'll be his version of "I created the Internet" for his run.
While true, it's a hell of an overpromise, similar to promising to cure AIDS/HIV or... well, any other ailment, really. It's something you absolutely can't guarantee - you can guarantee more funding for research that could lead to a cure, but that's not the same thing (nor as catchy) as a guarantee to cure it. It's also the kind of promise that is very much "establishment", and the same kind that a Sleazy Politician would make, even if it were genuinely meant.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 19th 2019 at 4:09:01 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"