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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#282776: Jun 16th 2019 at 12:33:22 PM

My bad, got Belgium and the Netherlands mixed up in my head and didn’t bother to check before posting.

I mean, the US plan is that stupid and jingoistic and has the wrong country on it, nobody has bothered to correct the people who made the plan because they don’t want it to be right.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#282777: Jun 16th 2019 at 12:33:51 PM

[up] I wouldn’t say it’s one part of the Iranian regime false flagging another, that doesn’t really make sense. For the record I offer no stance as to whether this is true, but it’s possible this could be seen as a message to Rouhani from the IRGC. Rouhani’s meeting with Abe is deeply unpopular with hardline factions, making a Japanese ship the centerpiece of an attack would fit within their MO for these kinds of things.

I’m not denying there are other possibilities either, but as I said they’re remote. The lengths gone to here are extreme even for a headline-grabbing event. That an IRGC ship just happened to try and shoot down an aircraft just as IRGC ships were hanging around the ships that were attacked, and then just happened to try and kidnap the crews at gunpoint and then got so nervous about everything they came back 10 hours later and grabbed the mine? I mean, sure, but that’s a hell of a series of events.

Also, I’ll point out that the ship being Japanese doesn’t automatically exclude the US from the proceedings here. The USN is obviously going to be involved in anything that goes down in the Strait of Hormuz.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 16th 2019 at 12:38:38 PM

They should have sent a poet.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#282778: Jun 16th 2019 at 12:43:11 PM

I wouldn’t say it’s one part of the Iranian regime false flagging another, that doesn’t really make sense.

Sure it does, if they want the meeting to collapse so that they can gain more power then having the Japanese storm out in anger after being attacked works perfectly.

It’s insane, but it’s the kind of insane thing the IRGC could do.

the ship being Japanese doesn’t automatically exclude the US from the proceedings here.

No but it excludes it from taking the lead, which is exactly what it’s doing by making statements beyond “we’re helping to work this out”.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 16th 2019 at 7:44:16 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Imca (Veteran)
#282779: Jun 16th 2019 at 12:56:33 PM

It didn’t deliberately and knowing target a civilian airliner no, but it did engage in such reckless behaviour that there’s a strong argument for malicious negligence and that the people responsible should be on trial for war crimes for their actions, exactly the same way the Russians and Ukrainian Separatists behind the downing of MH 17 should be on trial for their shooting down of a civilian airliner they negligently mistook for a military plane.

To be entirely fair, the civilian aircraft are just as much at fault for these incidents as the people that shot them down... They flew over active war zones, where anti-aircraft units are known to be operational, and those things don't exactly have the best sighting capabilities.

There is a reason why most airlines who are worth any thing at all go AROUND war zones, its because this stuff happens, and you don't want to be yet another number involved in it.

I mean hell, occasionally people even shoot down there own aircraft, or destroy there own things... war is blurry, its best to just give it a wide berth if at all possible.

No but it excludes it from taking the lead, which is exactly what it’s doing by making statements beyond “we’re helping to work this out”.

The US does most of our defensive work, and takes the lead on things all the time.... Its part of you know not having a formal military who can handle maters like this. They are more then qualified to do so under most sane administrations.

I do not feel comfortable with them doing so under this one, but like... established precedent lets them.

Edited by Imca on Jun 16th 2019 at 12:59:42 PM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#282780: Jun 16th 2019 at 1:06:12 PM

[up][up] I’m not sure that would necessarily be a false flag, but even that isn’t really what I was thinking of. In this case I get the sense it’s more about sending a message of disapproval from a position of strength. Basically “we don’t like what you’re doing and we’re not afraid to start shooting”.

And yeah, as was mentioned above it’s not really outstanding in any way that the US would take charge in something like this, especially in the Strait of Hormuz.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 16th 2019 at 1:08:13 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#282781: Jun 16th 2019 at 1:16:46 PM

The US is not part of the ICC and has standing law in place to invade Belgium if the ICC ever tries to put Americans on trial.

Source please?

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#282782: Jun 16th 2019 at 1:33:36 PM

[up] ASPA [1] contains provisions allowing a US president to use military force to free servicemembers from ICC confinement.

They should have sent a poet.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#282783: Jun 16th 2019 at 1:43:12 PM

Trump campaign cutting ties with pollsters after internal numbers leaked The president's re-election campaign says series of polls showing Joe Biden ahead in key states are "ancient" news.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/trump-campaign-cutting-ties-pollsters-after-internal-numbers-leaked-n1017991

President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign is cutting ties with some of its own pollsters after leaked internal polling showed the president trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in critical 2020 battleground states, according to a person close to the campaign.

The move comes after NBC News obtained new details from a March internal poll that found Trump trailing Biden in 11 key states.

the president trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in critical 2020 battleground states, according to a person close to the campaign.

The move comes after NBC News obtained new details from a March internal poll that found Trump trailing Biden in 11 key states.

Portions of the campaign’s expansive March polling trickled out in recent days in other news reports.

But a person familiar with the inner workings of the Trump campaign shared more details of the data with NBC News, showing the president trailing across swing states seen as essential to his path to re-election and in Democratic-leaning states where Republicans have looked to gain traction. The polls also show Trump underperforming in reliably red states that haven’t been competitive for decades in presidential elections.

A separate person close to the Trump re-election team told NBC News Saturday that the campaign will be cutting ties with some of its pollsters in response to the information leaks, although the person did not elaborate as to which pollsters would be let go.

The internal polling paints a picture of an incumbent president with serious ground to gain across the country as his re-election campaign kicks into higher gear.

While the campaign tested other Democratic presidential candidates against Trump, Biden polled the best of the group, according the source.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#282784: Jun 16th 2019 at 1:52:24 PM

I want to think Trump's meltdown if he loses is going to be glorious,but at this point I just want him gone as the funny died a long time ago

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#282785: Jun 16th 2019 at 2:03:10 PM

That his campaign is ignoring evidence that he's doing poorly is, I think, good news.

Oh God! Natural light!
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#282786: Jun 16th 2019 at 2:08:30 PM

It's very good news, few things are better than an enemy that's desperate to ignore the bits of reality that contradict their impulses or preconceived notions.

I dearly hope that Trump fires all of his good pollsters and hires sycophants who will tell him just what he wants.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#282787: Jun 16th 2019 at 2:23:38 PM

It's good because it means they're not going to engage in course correction or attempts to win over the lost voters, meaning only the diehard voters are likely to stick. This is a good opportunity for the Democrats if they are willing to take it.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#282789: Jun 16th 2019 at 2:33:21 PM

I’m not sure that would necessarily be a false flag, but even that isn’t really what I was thinking of. In this case I get the sense it’s more about sending a message of disapproval from a position of strength. Basically “we don’t like what you’re doing and we’re not afraid to start shooting”.

That’s also entirely possible, I think this does just come down to my tendency to not rule anything out even when it’s a pretty absurd possibility, I think I was the last person here to accept the results on election night 2016.

I want to think Trump's meltdown if he loses is going to be glorious,but at this point I just want him gone as the funny died a long time ago

Also remember that if he loses he still has the full powers of the presidency for three months, so that meltdown could get nasty.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#282790: Jun 16th 2019 at 2:41:55 PM

If Trump loses 2020, His meltdown is gonna be Ace Attorney levels of batshit.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jun 16th 2019 at 5:42:24 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#282791: Jun 16th 2019 at 2:52:43 PM

[up][up] There’s something to be said for keeping possibilities in mind, but it’s worth distinguishing between possible and probable.

Is it possible this is something totally benign? Sure, I won’t disagree with you there. But the overwhelming likelihood is that the IRGC is responsible.

They should have sent a poet.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#282792: Jun 16th 2019 at 2:54:43 PM

The worry is in his last 100 days he’ll burn down every irreparable bridge he can.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#282793: Jun 16th 2019 at 3:43:55 PM

Trump won't have any powers in the last 100 days that he hasn't had for the last 2.5 years, and it's not like he's been restrained.

I don't think that's something especially worth worrying about. He'll insist he can't lose and if/when he loses he'll throw a tantrum and get escorted out by the secret service.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#282794: Jun 16th 2019 at 3:45:34 PM

And being a lame duck will curtail some of that influence.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#282795: Jun 16th 2019 at 3:54:42 PM

This issue will be what McConnell tries to get done in the last 100 days before the chance to get them done potentially slides away.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#282796: Jun 16th 2019 at 4:03:43 PM

[up] Other then appointing Judges, he won't be able to do anything, especially if he also becomes a lame duck. The House still belongs to the Democrats.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#282797: Jun 16th 2019 at 4:08:36 PM

The appointments are what I’m thinking of.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#282798: Jun 16th 2019 at 4:15:56 PM

I don’t theyll be any appointments left to make by that point.

The most realistic thing for Trump’s last hundred days is that he tries to contest the election results and causes his supporters to start a minor fight with the D.C. police, he attempts to cause a diplomatic incident on twitter and gets ignored, he tried to order the military to do something insane and gets ignored, finally he tried to physically damage the White House and gets restrained by the secret service after doing some minor damage.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 16th 2019 at 11:16:50 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#282799: Jun 16th 2019 at 4:57:36 PM

[up][up][up]He has said on the Senate Majority Leader's Twitter account that he intends to make sure they leave no vacancies unfilled.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#282800: Jun 16th 2019 at 5:43:27 PM

That just tells me that the Senate is the far more worrying thing to be concerned about right now. If he's still in power and we get a Democratic president, I think we can fully expect four to eight more years of fucking stonewalling any remotely democratic progress.


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