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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I wouldn’t say it’s one part of the Iranian regime false flagging another, that doesn’t really make sense. For the record I offer no stance as to whether this is true, but it’s possible this could be seen as a message to Rouhani from the IRGC. Rouhani’s meeting with Abe is deeply unpopular with hardline factions, making a Japanese ship the centerpiece of an attack would fit within their MO for these kinds of things.
I’m not denying there are other possibilities either, but as I said they’re remote. The lengths gone to here are extreme even for a headline-grabbing event. That an IRGC ship just happened to try and shoot down an aircraft just as IRGC ships were hanging around the ships that were attacked, and then just happened to try and kidnap the crews at gunpoint and then got so nervous about everything they came back 10 hours later and grabbed the mine? I mean, sure, but that’s a hell of a series of events.
Also, I’ll point out that the ship being Japanese doesn’t automatically exclude the US from the proceedings here. The USN is obviously going to be involved in anything that goes down in the Strait of Hormuz.
Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 16th 2019 at 12:38:38 PM
They should have sent a poet.Sure it does, if they want the meeting to collapse so that they can gain more power then having the Japanese storm out in anger after being attacked works perfectly.
It’s insane, but it’s the kind of insane thing the IRGC could do.
No but it excludes it from taking the lead, which is exactly what it’s doing by making statements beyond “we’re helping to work this out”.
Edited by Silasw on Jun 16th 2019 at 7:44:16 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranTo be entirely fair, the civilian aircraft are just as much at fault for these incidents as the people that shot them down... They flew over active war zones, where anti-aircraft units are known to be operational, and those things don't exactly have the best sighting capabilities.
There is a reason why most airlines who are worth any thing at all go AROUND war zones, its because this stuff happens, and you don't want to be yet another number involved in it.
I mean hell, occasionally people even shoot down there own aircraft, or destroy there own things... war is blurry, its best to just give it a wide berth if at all possible.
The US does most of our defensive work, and takes the lead on things all the time.... Its part of you know not having a formal military who can handle maters like this. They are more then qualified to do so under most sane administrations.
I do not feel comfortable with them doing so under this one, but like... established precedent lets them.
Edited by Imca on Jun 16th 2019 at 12:59:42 PM
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I’m not sure that would necessarily be a false flag, but even that isn’t really what I was thinking of. In this case I get the sense it’s more about sending a message of disapproval from a position of strength. Basically “we don’t like what you’re doing and we’re not afraid to start shooting”.
And yeah, as was mentioned above it’s not really outstanding in any way that the US would take charge in something like this, especially in the Strait of Hormuz.
Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 16th 2019 at 1:08:13 AM
They should have sent a poet.
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Trump campaign cutting ties with pollsters after internal numbers leaked The president's re-election campaign says series of polls showing Joe Biden ahead in key states are "ancient" news.
The move comes after NBC News obtained new details from a March internal poll that found Trump trailing Biden in 11 key states.
the president trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in critical 2020 battleground states, according to a person close to the campaign.
The move comes after NBC News obtained new details from a March internal poll that found Trump trailing Biden in 11 key states.
Portions of the campaign’s expansive March polling trickled out in recent days in other news reports.
But a person familiar with the inner workings of the Trump campaign shared more details of the data with NBC News, showing the president trailing across swing states seen as essential to his path to re-election and in Democratic-leaning states where Republicans have looked to gain traction. The polls also show Trump underperforming in reliably red states that haven’t been competitive for decades in presidential elections.
A separate person close to the Trump re-election team told NBC News Saturday that the campaign will be cutting ties with some of its pollsters in response to the information leaks, although the person did not elaborate as to which pollsters would be let go.
The internal polling paints a picture of an incumbent president with serious ground to gain across the country as his re-election campaign kicks into higher gear.
While the campaign tested other Democratic presidential candidates against Trump, Biden polled the best of the group, according the source.
That his campaign is ignoring evidence that he's doing poorly is, I think, good news.
Oh God! Natural light!It's very good news, few things are better than an enemy that's desperate to ignore the bits of reality that contradict their impulses or preconceived notions.
I dearly hope that Trump fires all of his good pollsters and hires sycophants who will tell him just what he wants.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThat’s also entirely possible, I think this does just come down to my tendency to not rule anything out even when it’s a pretty absurd possibility, I think I was the last person here to accept the results on election night 2016.
Also remember that if he loses he still has the full powers of the presidency for three months, so that meltdown could get nasty.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIf Trump loses 2020, His meltdown is gonna be Ace Attorney levels of batshit.
Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jun 16th 2019 at 5:42:24 AM
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There’s something to be said for keeping possibilities in mind, but it’s worth distinguishing between possible and probable.
Is it possible this is something totally benign? Sure, I won’t disagree with you there. But the overwhelming likelihood is that the IRGC is responsible.
They should have sent a poet.Trump won't have any powers in the last 100 days that he hasn't had for the last 2.5 years, and it's not like he's been restrained.
I don't think that's something especially worth worrying about. He'll insist he can't lose and if/when he loses he'll throw a tantrum and get escorted out by the secret service.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI don’t theyll be any appointments left to make by that point.
The most realistic thing for Trump’s last hundred days is that he tries to contest the election results and causes his supporters to start a minor fight with the D.C. police, he attempts to cause a diplomatic incident on twitter and gets ignored, he tried to order the military to do something insane and gets ignored, finally he tried to physically damage the White House and gets restrained by the secret service after doing some minor damage.
Edited by Silasw on Jun 16th 2019 at 11:16:50 AM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

My bad, got Belgium and the Netherlands mixed up in my head and didn’t bother to check before posting.
I mean, the US plan is that stupid and jingoistic and has the wrong country on it, nobody has bothered to correct the people who made the plan because they don’t want it to be right.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran