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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#282652: Jun 13th 2019 at 12:35:56 PM

Federal watchdog agency recommends removal of Kellyanne Conway from federal office for violating the Hatch Act – The report found that Conway violated the Hatch Act by “disparaging Democratic presidential candidates while speaking in her official capacity during television interviews and on social media.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/office-of-special-counsel-recommends-removal-of-kellyanne-conway-from-federal-office-for-violating-the-hatch-act/2019/06/13/0786ae2e-8df4-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html

Same story, without potential paywall:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/13/federal-agency-recommends-that-kellyanne-conway-be-removed-from-service-over-hatch-act-1364221

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282653: Jun 13th 2019 at 12:39:49 PM

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And the Trump administration has already said "Fuck that" to the idea.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#282655: Jun 13th 2019 at 1:18:25 PM

Fort Sill was also used as an internment camp for Native Americans.

And again, I’m gonna point out it isn’t “due to overwhelming numbers”, it’s due to this reprehensible policy of CAGING CHILDREN. Framing is important. No one is making them do this.

Edited by wisewillow on Jun 13th 2019 at 1:18:55 AM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282657: Jun 13th 2019 at 1:32:03 PM

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Which makes it especially fitting that they're using an old atrocity to help perpetrate a new one in the same vein. Of course, that is probably lost on them.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#282658: Jun 13th 2019 at 1:33:14 PM

Them using Fort Sill is so blatant and so disgusting. These aren’t detention centers. They’re fucking internment camps. The long term effects this will have on these kids is reprehensible.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#282659: Jun 13th 2019 at 1:35:28 PM

Permanent trauma. Lifelong physical and mental health ramifications. And it’s on goddamn purpose and our Democratic majority in the House timidly scolds over subpoenas.

[down] The House can do a lot with the powers of investigation. They can hold hearings on these camps all day every day, throw a massive public shitfit, drive the narrative.... or not.

Edited by wisewillow on Jun 13th 2019 at 1:51:26 AM

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282660: Jun 13th 2019 at 1:38:01 PM

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The problem is that the House can't do jack shit without the Senate going along with it, and McConnell won't even bring the things to the floor for a vote let alone play ball. Making a statement is all well and good, but Viewers Are Morons in this case, as those that don't follow politics will just chalk it up as "Well, more partisanship."

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#282661: Jun 13th 2019 at 1:42:01 PM

Jesus. I actually underwent BCT at Fort Sill. I never even realized it was an internment camp.

I have great memories of the place. Finding about about this - both its history and what it's presently being used for - is a bit of an emotional gut-punch for me.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 13th 2019 at 2:43:27 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#282662: Jun 13th 2019 at 2:40:45 PM

To be fair they probably did a good job tidying everything away so no ever noticed its original nature

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#282663: Jun 13th 2019 at 3:02:38 PM

[up] Looking the place up, it seems its original nature is in the name. It was a fort.

And the Trump administration has already said "Fuck that" to the idea.

Once again, in the process, declaring its own employees and appointees to be biased against it.

Edited by RainehDaze on Jun 13th 2019 at 11:04:07 AM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#282664: Jun 13th 2019 at 3:02:59 PM

And in other news, Trump said in an interview with ABC that "There isn't anything wrong with listening" to a foreign government offering dirt on a political opponent, nor would he necessarily inform the FBI about it. That said, Clinton allegedly accepted information from a Ukrainian investigation into Paul Manafort, so... gotta admit, this particular one is a tad harder to parse, as it hinges primarily on how the information was obtained, at least in my view.

The latter was obtained through a lawful investigation within Ukraine into the financial dealings of Manafort-as-lobbyist, while the information Russia gained was done through hacking - which is kind of illegal.

You might want to read this article by the Washington Post regarding the Clinton claim (dated 26th March 2019):

Ukraine just showed us how a foreign power can play Trump to its own ends

Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko told the Hill’s John Solomon in an interview published March 20 that he will open a criminal investigation into an alleged attempt by a top Ukrainian law enforcement official to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Lutsenko claims the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine intentionally leaked evidence that Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was paid off the books by former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych’s party in an effort to benefit the Clinton campaign. Manafort had previously served as an adviser to the pro-Russian Yanukovych, and the release of payment information to Manafort contributed to his resignation from the Trump campaign and gave credence to the Russia collusion charges.

The Hill broadcast the interview and then published the sensationalist story. Sean Hannity made Solomon the star of his prime-time show that evening. Trump watches Hannity, reportedly speaks with him multiple times daily, and tweeted the title of Solomon’s story. More than 25,000 retweets later, the Ukrainian collusion narrative went viral.

The depressing upshot of this sorry spectacle is that foreign powers can get into the president’s head by following a simple formula: find some way to connect your pet peeve to the president’s obsession with the 2016 election; find someone who can get on Hannity; hope that Trump is watching and tweeting; sit back and watch the fun.

Three additional points need to be made here. First, the Hill’s Solomon presents Lutsenko as an anti-corruption warrior, someone committed to the truth and totally unmotivated by politics. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ukraine’s prosecutor general is woefully unqualified (he doesn’t have a law degree), has dragged his feet on every serious anti-corruption case since being installed, and protected his friends, including Poroshenko.

Second, the assertion of a “Ukraine collusion” angle is pure drivel. Lutsenko claims he has a recording that Ukraine’s National Anticorruption Bureau — an office he has repeatedly tried to undermine — leaked Manafort’s off-the-book records to help Clinton’s campaign. Artem Sytnyk, the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau, denies the charge. Sytnyk is one of Ukraine’s unknown heroes of the past five years; his agency has fought to put members of Ukraine’s corrupt elite behind bars. If Lutsenko has the tape, let’s hear it.

Third, Lutsenko accuses the current U.S. ambassador to Ukraine of giving him a “do not prosecute” list and says the U.S. Embassy has interfered in his work. The U.S. Embassy vehemently denies Lutsenko’s absurd claim. Lutsenko’s unfounded allegation is clear retribution for the ambassador’s speech condemning the incumbent government for doing so little to fight corruption.

The mechanics of the information operation that Poroshenko’s minions pulled off are obvious. Lutsenko used Solomon to get to Hannity to get to Trump, whose Twitter feed set thousands chattering about nonexistent collusion. The ensuing blather threatens to derail rational discussion, defame diplomats who are doing their job and distract us from far more important matters.

The real question is this: If a bunch of obscure foreigners few Americans have ever heard of can play Trump so easily, and so obviously, what’s to stop others from doing the same?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 13th 2019 at 11:03:40 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#282665: Jun 13th 2019 at 3:42:51 PM

> Looking the place up, it seems its original nature is in the name. It was a fort.

An internment camp is not normally something you'd associate with forts,then again when i read fort I pictured Motte-and-bailey castles

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#282666: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:05:49 PM

The twenty candidates for the June democratic debate are announced. I'm excited, wasn't in tune with US politics last election and given how it went, I want to make sure I catch up on all that leads to November this time.

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#282667: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:16:11 PM

[up][up] ... it was founded in 1869 as a military encampment.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282668: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:16:29 PM

I wonder why Sanders is out.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#282669: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:22:48 PM

... he’s listed as number 16; it’s alphabetical.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#282670: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:27:21 PM

I think he's referring to Huckabee Sanders.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282671: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:29:17 PM

Yes, why she's leaving.

My bad.

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#282672: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:35:32 PM

I'd just call her Huckabee, as nobody gives a crap about her Dad anymore.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#282673: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:45:51 PM

Suckabee Huckabee leaving her position strikes me as sudden.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#282674: Jun 13th 2019 at 4:48:36 PM

Nobody gives a crap about her anymore either. She hardly ever does her job. All she did was repeat whatever Trump said, which he does plenty enough on his own on Twitter.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#282675: Jun 13th 2019 at 5:02:09 PM

There's two possibilities.

  1. She's tired of the job and wants to cash out as a contributor for FOX or something.
  2. Something bad is about to happen and she's jumping ship.

Ordinarily I'd say Trump might be pushing her out, but this seems far too sudden for that. There'd have been some sort of news story beforehand about her screwing up.


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