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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#282401: Jun 8th 2019 at 4:56:48 AM

> Right-wingers value loyalty and cohesion. They're not a bickering, fractious coalition like the Left,

[Audience laughs]

And now a musical number..

Seriously that is not true and comes across as a little praising of the right,I don't what else to say other then calling the left a 'fractious coalition' is just weird terminology

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 8th 2019 at 11:58:06 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#282402: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:02:59 AM

It's perfectly clear: it's a set of groups that stick together very badly and have a tendency to break off and fight each other. They're dramatically different in how dissatisfied they are with the status quo and in what direction to take things beyond that. This is misleadingly labeled "ideological purity". It's anything but.

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#282403: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:04:15 AM

@Trump and the Queen, I have made the crack this week on the day of the 75th Anniversary of D-Day, the Queen is by all chance more happy to see the leader of Germany than the President of the US.

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#282404: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:06:44 AM

[up][up]No, the "purity" bit comes in what certain factions of the left refuse to accept a candidate whose record isn't absolutely perfect and free of even one minute wrongdoing in every way, no matter what they've done to make up for it since or what their current stance on things is.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jun 8th 2019 at 8:07:35 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#282405: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:14:36 AM

So did anyone else see Trump's signature on that D-Day remembrance proclamation?

I'm not all that surprised he even fucked that up.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#282406: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:19:58 AM

If it boils down to Biden vs Warren, I think she can win that. But I fear it will boil down to Biden vs Bernie, and if that happens a lot of Democrats won't be able to bring themselves to vote for Bernie.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#282407: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:25:25 AM

Look at the text of that declaration.

‘Seventy-five years ago, our countries were about to embark on a decisive battle.

‘On June 6, 1944, 160,000 Allied troops landed at Normandy, signalling the beginning of the end of the war in Europe. Casualty figures on all sides were immense, with hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors, aviators and civilians killed or wounded in the days and weeks that followed.

‘We stand together today to honour the memory of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice on D-Day, and those many millions of men and women who lost their lives during the Second World War, the largest conflict in human history.

‘We affirm that it is our shared responsibility to ensure that the unimaginable horror of these years is never repeated.

‘Over the last 75 years, our nations have stood up for peace in Europe and globally, for democracy, tolerance and the rule of law.

We re-commit today to those shared values because they support the stability and prosperity of our nations and our people. We will work together as allies and friends to defend these freedoms whenever they are threatened.

We commit to work constructively as friends and allies to find common ground where we have differences of opinion and to work together to resolve international tensions peacefully.

‘We will act resolutely, with courage and tenacity, to protect our people against threats to our values and challenges to peace and stability.

‘In this way, we salute the surviving veterans of D-Day and we honour the memories of those who came before us.

We will ensure that the sacrifices of the past are never in vain and never forgotten.

Why would he not screw this up.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#282408: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:31:01 AM

[up]The man's very existence is an affront to the spirit of that.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#282409: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:32:48 AM

[up][up][up]Hence why I think she should do more to confront Sanders’ deficiencies.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282410: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:55:11 AM

It's a shame because of the two, Bernie should absolutely win in that case.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#282411: Jun 8th 2019 at 5:57:20 AM

Problem is that Sanders’ “brilliant” strategy of shitting on the Democratic Party like he did in 2016 is too polarizing. It almost felt like he was negging them. And by all accounts he is using the same strategy that failed in 2016.

Edited by M84 on Jun 8th 2019 at 8:57:59 PM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282412: Jun 8th 2019 at 6:44:06 AM

While Warren is single-digits, she's also consistently been third in the polls, and Sanders is a comparatively-paltry 6 points ahead of her. On top of that, as others have pointed out already, this is all without a single debate being held as-yet - once that happens, the landscape is pretty much bound to change, as about the only factor right now is name/brand recognition.

And in yet more petty politics news, the Trump administration blocked a State official's written testimony to Congress because he described the impacts of climate change as "possibly catastrophic".

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 8th 2019 at 9:46:31 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#282413: Jun 8th 2019 at 6:46:03 AM

The thing is, this is after months of campaigning. Unless you think the candidates have been doing nothing all this time.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282414: Jun 8th 2019 at 6:51:41 AM

[up]

The campaigning only matters if people are actually paying attention to the candidates - and this early on, the odds of that are fairly low.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282415: Jun 8th 2019 at 6:53:50 AM

Bluntly, I think that the campaigning and attitudes of the front runners are already well known.

In short, I predict the debates will not move much.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#282416: Jun 8th 2019 at 6:54:25 AM

[up][up]Exactly- right now, most people aren’t paying attention yet. I didn’t know Bernie existed until July 2015, and at the time I was keeping up with the news pretty decently, although not nearly as much as I keep up with it now.

[up] I strongly disagree. I know tons of people who know almost nothing about the candidates yet. And those are fellow law school grads who are also preparing for the bar exam and busy.

Edited by wisewillow on Jun 8th 2019 at 6:55:31 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#282417: Jun 8th 2019 at 6:59:10 AM

Regardless, it is better to have higher numbers now than not. I wonder if people here would be so willing to downplay the numbers if they were in Warren’s favor.

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#282418: Jun 8th 2019 at 7:03:50 AM

I think the point people are making is that they're more in her favor than you think.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282419: Jun 8th 2019 at 7:20:37 AM

[up]

Not what I'm getting at - my main point is that while people may be familiar with Biden from his time as VP, and Sanders due to the 2016 campaign, nowhere near as many would have been paying attention to Warren, Harris, et. al who are also running this year. That'll change after the first few debates, in which gaffes can be made and platforms firmly established in full public view, rather than piecemeal town halls.

Edit: And Warren herself has pointed out that, if you look at the 2008 and 2016 elections, who the hell would have thought that Barack Hussein Obama and Donald J. Trump would have been their party's nominee, let alone the eventual winner of the Presidency (shenanigans in the latter notwithstanding)?

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 8th 2019 at 10:41:38 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#282420: Jun 8th 2019 at 8:02:38 AM

Yup. Most people don’t follow primaries until after the debates start. And I think I saw one poll that said 87% of Dems were considering or open to more than one candidate, so, even those who ARE paying attention aren’t do or die for one candidate.

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#282421: Jun 8th 2019 at 8:03:29 AM

[up][up]Though Warren is hardly an Obama or a Trump. She lacks the former's campaigning ability and the latter's "it's like staring at a trainwreck" attention-whoring.

Warren it should be noted is someone who isn't even able to do particularly well in her own state when it comes to Senate elections.

Edited by M84 on Jun 8th 2019 at 11:05:49 PM

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#282422: Jun 8th 2019 at 8:05:53 AM

Speaking of wreckage, I heard Trump slumped.

I'd like to see a picture of him in this pose:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/11340_20051122042316_large.jpg

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#282423: Jun 8th 2019 at 8:06:34 AM

[up]Now why would you want to associate something as great as Doom Patrol with Trump?

And it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that Warren's already trying to downplay her low poll numbers.

Edited by M84 on Jun 8th 2019 at 11:08:34 PM

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#282424: Jun 8th 2019 at 8:18:11 AM

Warren has been consistently third in polls, in a smaller race that would be terrible, but in a race where 67% are considering multiple candidates and the candidate list is huge, that’s not bad.

Warren has 8-9% in a 20 person race, between them Biden and Bernie have about 50% of the vote, that leaves 35-40% of the vote up for grabs based on people dropping out.

Do I think that’s going to be enough for her to win outright? No I don’t, she won’t pick up all the other votes, but she (alongside Harris) is perfectly positioned to be the compromise candidate, if it looks like things are going to go 28% Bernie, 37% Biden, 18% Warren, 11% Harris, 6% other, than Warren and Harris are well positioned to say “pick me rather than one of the two polarising candidates”.

[up] Low is relative, she’s polling third in a 20 person race where 67% of voters aren’t seriously committed to a single candidate. If she’s still at 8-9% when it’s a five person race she’s out, but it’s still a 20 person race right now.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 8th 2019 at 3:53:17 PM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282425: Jun 8th 2019 at 8:46:15 AM

[up]

Exactly. When every candidate is polling sub-40%, especially a full year before the Primaries actually start, it's pretty much anyone's game still.

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