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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#282301: Jun 6th 2019 at 6:41:04 PM

Cynical and I’m even more disgusted by his lazyass campaign.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#282302: Jun 6th 2019 at 6:43:13 PM

Just look on the bright side — now none of the Democratic candidates with a real chance want to keep the Hyde Amendment anymore.

Cynical or not, it's a good thing.

Edited by M84 on Jun 6th 2019 at 9:43:29 PM

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#282303: Jun 6th 2019 at 6:46:52 PM

This is, cautiously, a good thing. But, we have to consider that he could just proceed to ignore it while in office. Which I find unfortunately likely.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#282304: Jun 6th 2019 at 6:48:28 PM

[up]Nah, generally candidates do try to keep their campaign promises.

Even Trump. That's why he wants that Wall so much.

We all know what happened when H.W. Bush walked back on the "No New Taxes" thing.

Edited by M84 on Jun 6th 2019 at 9:49:43 PM

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ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#282305: Jun 6th 2019 at 6:53:32 PM

The theory is that going against your word just pushes your established base away, and doesn’t actually score any points from the other side, right?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#282306: Jun 6th 2019 at 6:54:13 PM

I mean, I expect that a hypothetical President Biden (assuming he has a Democratic Congress for at least two years) acts (at least on domestic policy) like Obama, maybe further to the left given the general pull of the party.

As for Biden's campaign, he's the frontrunner over half a year away from the first vote. He gains very little from doing anything aside from raising money and holding his ground.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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#282307: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:13:16 PM

House Democrats officially introduce contempt resolution for Barr, Mc Gahn

Looks like it's time for the stick, I suppose Pelosi has lost patience with them.

The resolution will allow for House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) to go to court to force the subpoena for Barr to turn over Mueller's unredacted report as well as forcing Mc Ghan to give public testimony and documents.

It would also give any committee chair the power to go federal court to seek the enforcement of subpoenas, both present, and future, so long as they are granted approval by the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group.

So yeah, they had their chance and now the Dems are getting serious.

I honestly think this is the best compromise and I'm thrilled to see it happening. Pelosi doesn't want any part of this. Barr's contempt charge has been sitting on her desk for weeks. She's a great peace-time politician, but she just doesn't have the nerve for the pushback against the Trump Executive that needs to be happening right now.

Nadler, on the other hand, has been the one responsible for really pushing this fight. Nadler's been pushing hard in favor of delivering Trump that bloody nose I talked about before. Hit his team of law-breakers hard with real legal consequences and make clear to the rest of his supporters that they no longer enjoy the privilege of congressional invulnerability.

So this is a good way to do it. By taking this action, Pelosi can wash her hands of the actual Trump battleground and just focus on what she's good at: litigate leadership. Nadler, meanwhile, is charged with the ability to take the fight to Trump without needing Pelosi and the full House to stamp their names on it.

I've been frustrated with Pelosi's reluctance and this is basically a tacit admission that Pelosi wants nothing to do with the Trump fight. But it's an admission that passes the sword to someone chomping at the bit to use it, so I can be satisfied with this.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#282308: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:13:26 PM

Yeah, being the front runner right now also means you're the biggest target. After the undecideds, Biden's share of voters is the biggest piece of the pie the other candidates are going to try to slice into.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282309: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:24:47 PM

[up]

Which is why I'm encouraged by that Warren's message seems to be picking up speed, especially with her taking direct shots at Biden's record RE: the Bankruptcy bill that he helped get through as a Senator that made it far harder for individuals to actually file for bankruptcy. That vote, incidentally, is precisely why she took a stronger interest in politics.

The Daily Show played a clip from the hearing in the run-up to that bill, incidentally.

And for those interested, here's the full exchange between them, and Biden is rather confrontational with Warren right off the bat, and is well-worth the watch. Though as forewarning, Biden takes a good 7 minutes to actually ask his question of her, then cuts her off when she attempts to clarify it a bit.

Edit: and after watching the full clip, Biden enters into a very disingenuous argument at the 11 minute mark, as he tries framing it as "the guy that owns the corner drugstore is paying for that bankruptcy protection" - which generally isn't the case, as the debt accrued tends to be credit card debt, not personal debts. Unless there's some major exemption I'm not aware of, pharmacists do not dispense drugs without getting paid first. Her impassioned reply at 12:30 or so is the highlight for me, though, as she implores him to not cut out bankruptcy protections for people until after fixing the Healthcare system.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 6th 2019 at 10:57:03 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#282310: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:30:59 PM

Which is probably why he didn't show up the California convention. The delegates are definitely of the more progressive wing, as you could probably tell by who they cheered and booed. That would have just been bad press for him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#282311: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:06:05 PM

Eh, my opinion of California progressives was soured by their backing Jaffe against Pelosi.

[up][up]Too bad there is little overlap between Warren’s strongest voter base and Biden’s.

She would have better results going after Sanders.

Edited by M84 on Jun 6th 2019 at 11:11:07 PM

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#282312: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:21:23 PM

But aside from actually having a plan where Sanders is hot air, do Warren and Sanders really clash on anything? My impression is that they mostly cover the same base because they agree on their broader goals. What would she confront him on? With Biden there's a clear disagreement of both goals and method where she can point to the flaws and describe what she'd do differently.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#282313: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:25:43 PM

How is Warren on the foreign policy front? That could be a difference between her and Sanders, who is at best lacking in that arena.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#282314: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:25:57 PM

Not to mention a chunk of Biden's support comes from just name recognition. If Warren, or any candidate for that matter, can make a strong enough case, those people are up for grabs.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#282315: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:30:13 PM

[up]A big chunk of Sanders’ appeal is name recognition too.

And the fact that Warren is the more wonkish candidate is precisely how Warren should confront Sanders. Poke holes in his “plans”. Show that he is little more than talk.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#282317: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:45:25 PM

So he's going to run for the senator's seat when he's already got the other one? I... how does that even work? He can't hold both at the same time!

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#282319: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:47:41 PM

I thought I made it clear he lost against Stabenow.

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#282320: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:03:43 PM

Funny, I did read that as “somehow managed to unseat” for a moment.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282321: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:13:59 PM

I'm glad Pelosi has done this. If she doesn't want to be in the fight against Trump's people on the imprisoning side, she should give it to someone who is. I don't have any problem with her personally but Trump's people are savage fascists and need to be torn into by hook or by crook.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#282322: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:16:15 PM

I definitely read that as him having won the seat. It makes more sense that he's just trying to run again after losing.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#282323: Jun 7th 2019 at 2:44:42 AM

I think that there are two groups of Bernie voters: Those who simply want an alternative to establishment Democrats and the Bernie Bros. The first group is up to grasp and might switch to Warren once they see more of her. The second group won't move no matter what anyway.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#282325: Jun 7th 2019 at 8:53:29 AM

I say leave it standing as memorial to those who lost their lives,from what I can gather the school shooters wanted to blow up the school with bombs,so I think its unwise course of action

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