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So is not blaming gay people for homophobia.
Y'all, I'm not kidding. Saying that homophobes are secretly gay implicitly shifts the blame off of straight people, allowing them to call for the death of gay people like Tobias described while blaming the victims of their prejudice for their own issues with such. Seriously, I feel like I'm on loop at some points, I'm pretty sure I've had this exact conversation here before. Can we not? Please?
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
I think it's more that people that are very vocal can come across as a combination of Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?, Armored Closet Gay, and You Are What You Hate - plus, insinuating that they are is a good way to get their goat, for the aforementioned reasons.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"I'm getting too tired for this...
I KNOW the reasons people do it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't also have the implications I just listed behind it. And those implications can go on to hurt people other than the intended target.
Its like with the Trump-Putin hookup jokes. At their core, it associates people you don't like with gayness, with a side serving of victim blaming and conveniently whitewashing the fact that yes, it is by and large cisgender and heterosexual people who are the bigots in this scenario. EVEN IF NOT INTENDED THAT WAY, (which I'm 99% sure it wasn't), it still carries the problems with it.
If you'd like, we can move this to the LGBTQ Rights in America thread, or maybe to the General Politics thread, but I feel like this probably isn't the space to have an extended discussion on homophobia and language.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerYeah, that reeks of chopping off your nose to spite your face.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Ah, I see Azure Paladin has preempted me, nice
A few self-hating gay people doesn't make the majority of homophobes any less straight. We really shouldn't feed that nonsense.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 5th 2019 at 1:15:41 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangSo to shift the topic, and in yet another "the cruelty is the point" news, the Trump administration is telling the shelters holding immigrant children to cut costs
by paring out education, legal aid and, fucking recess. Basically, if it isn't related to safety issues, cut it.
Officially, though, it's because HHS is running low on funding for it.
Federal officials said the administration's refugee office is running out of the necessary funds to deal with a massive influx of unaccompanied minors at the southern border.
"Additional resources are urgently required to meet the humanitarian needs created by this influx — to both sustain critical child welfare and release operations and increase capacity," HHS said.
HHS said ending those services are necessary under the Antideficiency Act, which requires the department to prioritize safety when faced with a funding shortfall.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 5th 2019 at 4:42:25 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Tommy McMurtry is one of the literally-genocidal pastors for the "Make America Straight Again" event. When the campaign to take down the hate speech-riddled ads for their event started, McMurtry responded by calling out the LGBT community as powerless and demanded to know what they could really do to him and his flock.
The leader of the campaign, an LGBT individual who McMurtry dubbed "Mr. Pumpkin" for being "the largest of all fruits", retaliated by weaponizing Google Search Engine Optimization against him. Now if you Google McMurtry's name, instead of finding his sermons and projects, the first results that come up are videos about the Make America Straight Again controversy and insinuations that McMurtry may or may not be attracted to literal pumpkins.
The campaign's leader also purchased this website
for supporters of LGBT rights to contribute their own sexy pumpkin pictures. All in the name of answering McMurtry's question, "What can these people actually do to hurt our message?" by inflicting a devastating blow to their social media presence.
Like I said, some of the campaign's a bit petty. But when a man is literally advocating genocide, a bit of petty entertainment at his expense isn't asking for too much.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 5th 2019 at 2:51:25 AM
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I think part of the point is to just humiliate him and highlight just how idiotic his point of view is. Beyond that, though, humor is a natural response to stress-inducing situations, and God damn (hopefully literally, once that asshole actually dies) is that a stress-inducing situation.
And on the topic, a Florida Congressman came under fire from his own party for laughing (and not rebuking) at an audience member's comment about executing gay people
. The link is to the apology he issued today - I'll let others decide if it's up to snuff.
In this case, I was referring to the pumpkin thing, not the initial interpretation of it - everyone (myself included) was treating it as an Unusual Euphemism, but it's a Literal Metaphor instead. Aside from that, as also noted above, the guy that's doing it is himself part of the LGBT community, so... back to my point regarding how different people have different means of coping, and those methods can sometimes clash. It's like how some people will treat a funeral as a party to celebrate someone's life, while others want it to be treated a somber, reverent event to mourn the person's passing. Neither one is intrinsically wrong.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 5th 2019 at 5:02:05 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Yes, but we're asking you to not do it in a way that hurt's Queer folks.
At least three (that I know of) Queer folks have asked to knock this off. Can we PLEASE trust that we know what we're talking about!? PLEASE!?
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You understand that the worse he is, the more credit you give my argument, right?
Edited by AzurePaladin on Jun 5th 2019 at 4:56:42 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerNo, I get it.
The line about "We don't really know" is an inside joke for the campaign against McMurtry. The founder of the response movement coined the statement when explaining the plan to reduce McMurtry's social media presence to a joke about pumpkin-f*cking, and people have since come to repeat it both as a sardonic rallying cry and to maintain Google's SEO association between McMurtry and pumpkins.
I actually didn't realize it could be taken in that way, which is why I felt it important to explain the context. I'm sorry I offended you.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 5th 2019 at 2:59:21 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So why are homophobes secretly gay/trans? A lot of news stories about high profile anti-gay crusaders being caught having or seeking gay sex in the 2000s, for one. The one that immediately comes to mind was a Congressiinal Republican caught propositioning gay sex in an airport mens room in a police sting.
This was a bit of a tangent spinning out of YouTube's crackdown on hate speech. Continuing further down the rabbit hole of "Homophobes and the Secretly Gay Stereotype" should probably, as noted further up the page, be done on the LGBT thread.
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Yep, he of the "Wide Stance" and pleading Guilty to the charge only to later say that it was under duress, and the oft-quoted "I am not gay, and I never have been gay."
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"For the record both of those things are joked about at times (racists having African heritage and anti-semites (specifically Hitler) hiding Jewish heritage) and yes it’s just as bad as the “homophobes are gay” jokes.
I’m gonna take the pumpkin joke as a joke about pumpkin fucking, if it’s a metaphor for any kind of human sexual traction I say read it as saying the pastor is attracted to fake tan.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranOkay, I seem to have misunderstood the pumpkin joke. Sorry for starting this.
Having said that, I stand by what I have said. Joking or insisting that homophobes are secretly gay is in really poor taste, and yes, is homophobic at heart.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Jun 5th 2019 at 5:16:01 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerI'm actually not fond of those types of jokes myself, but I feel the need to point out that neither of those comparisons, especially the first one, actually work on the same level.
I do recall that something like this has come up before, and it's mentioned that often times it's other gay/queer people making the jokes, which calls to mind N-Word Privileges, which is in itself a controversial subject, I think. Also kind of moot here, though, since Tobias is not gay/queer as far as I'm aware and also apparently wasn't making that kind of joke.
Edited by LSBK on Jun 5th 2019 at 4:31:31 AM
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Actually, there is one notable case of a virulent racist - Craig Cobb - being revealed as having 14% ancestry coming from Subsaharan Africa, which he immediately attributed to "statistical noise". The segment is worth watching for that woman's laugh alone.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 5th 2019 at 5:52:49 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/06/05/day-867/
And before we start, yes the title is exactly what it sounds like...
2/ Trump claimed that he is "making up" for not serving in the Vietnam War by proposing to increase the Pentagon's budget to around $750 billion in 2020. Despite avoiding service through student deferments and a medical disqualification for bone spurs, Trump claimed he "would have not have minded that at all. I would have been honored" to serve. (Washington Post)
Trump erroneously claimed that he reinstituted a ban on most transgender people from serving in the military because some of them take prescription medicine. Trump said that when "you're in the military, you're not allowed to take any drugs." The military, however, doesn't prohibit service members from taking prescription medicines. (Bloomberg / Washington Post)
3/ A bipartisan group of senators will try to block the Trump administration's use of emergency authority to sell arms to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Senators will try to force 22 votes aimed at rebuking the Trump administration's May decision to invoke an emergency provision in the Arms Export Control Act in order to push through $8 billion worth of arms sales to the Saudis, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan. Congress had been blocking the sale since last year. (Associated Press / Politico / USA Today / New York Times)
https://www.apnews.com/540d432b2ec4462da0ad6d001890158a
4/ The House passed the DREAM and Promise Act of 2019, which would give millions of young undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship. The measure passed with a vote of 327 to 187, and it now heads to the Senate, where it is unlikely to be considered. The White House has also threatened to veto the measure if it makes it to Trump's desk. Seven Republicans voted in favor of the measure, and no Democrats voted against it. (CBS News / New York Times / Washington Post)
5/ A 40-year-old migrant woman died while in U.S. Border Patrol custody – the second migrant woman to die within a 36-hour period. Border Patrol agents detained the woman in Eagle Pass, Texas on Monday and she collapsed minutes later. She was transported to a hospital, where she died shortly after arriving. On Saturday, a 25-year-old transgender asylum seeker from El Salvador died at a hospital in El Paso, Texas. (The Guardian)
6/ Border Patrol agents are boarding buses and trains across the northern U.S. with increasing frequency to ask passengers about their citizenship status, often nowhere near the U.S. border. Newly obtained emails show a Border Patrol official in Maine told agents "Happy hunting!" as they prepared to begin boarding buses. The searches can happen as often as three times per day at some bus stations, even at those with no direct routes to or from the border, causing bus delays and missed connections. (NBC News)
7/ The Trump administration canceled English classes, recreational programs, and legal aid for unaccompanied minors in federal migrant shelters. The Office of Refugee Resettlement discontinued funding for the programs, calling them "not directly necessary for the protection of life and safety, including education services, legal services, and recreation." (Washington Post / ABC News)
poll/ 54% of Americans say they think Trump will win the 2020 election, compared to 41% who feel he will lose. In December, 51% said they thought Trump would lose his bid for re-election. (CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/politics/cnn-poll-trump-prediction-economy-issues/index.html
poll/ 68% of American believe "made-up news" is a "very big problem" in the U.S. By comparison, 46% called climate change a "very big problem," 40% said the same about racism, and 34% said the same about terrorism. (Pew Research Center / Nieman Lab / Axios)
A federal judge said the Justice Department does not have to turn over the transcripts of Michael Flynn's calls with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak as part of Flynn's sentencing. The DOJ originally failed to turn over the transcripts, saying they did not have any additional documents to share with the court that could help at sentencing. The judge said "the government is not required to file any additional materials or information on the public docket." (CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/04/politics/flynn-kislyak-sullivan-transcript/index.html
The Russian trolling effort on Twitter during the 2016 campaign was larger, more coordinated, and more effective than previously known. The operation by the Internet Research Agency amounted to "a vast, coordinated campaign that was incredibly successful at pushing out and amplifying its messages," according to the cybersecurity firm Symantec. Some of the trolls used their fake accounts to make money on the side, with one potentially generating nearly $1 million. (Politico / NBC News)
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/05/study-russia-cybersecurity-twitter-1353543
The Trump administration sharply reduced federal spending on medical research that uses tissue from aborted fetuses. The move overrides the advice of scientists, who say the tissue is crucial for studies that benefit millions of patients and have led to life-saving advances, including the development of vaccines for rubella and rabies and drugs to treat the HIV virus. The decision fullfills a top goal by anti-abortion groups that have lobbied hard for it. (New York Times / ABC News)

Sigh. I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Christianity fades into irrelevance in America, it won't be because of any government oppression that they're always fretting about, it'll be because Christians did it to themselves with inexcusable behavior like what Tobias described above.
Edited by speedyboris on Jun 5th 2019 at 2:21:56 PM