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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The tariffs are extremely unpopular, especially with the business owners impacted by them. Many of whom are, as Charles noted, financial backers for these Republicans. Trump pissed off the wealthy with this move.
It's also a great point for them to take a stand on, politically. Trump's election was rooted in the idea that Republicans could rein in his more ridiculous ideas. This has not historically proven to be the case; the last two and a half years have been a complete shitshow in that and many other regards. But here, Trump's basically handed them a golden opportunity to stand up to him on something that their constituents don't support.
The press, meanwhile, loves a defection story. If this actually happens, the Republicans who made it happen will be all over the news - while the Democrats whose much larger number of guaranteed votes against Trump actually made it possible go ignored.
So I wouldn't be surprised if we see a spike in public confidence towards Republicans over this. It's a solid propaganda opportunity for them to go on FOX News and go, "See? We're keeping Trump in check, just like we said we would. Vote Republican 2020!"
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:53:25 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So the war in Yemen, with all the children killed by a dictatorial regime, which doesn't serve the US in any way (apart from arms sales cash obviously) doesn't warrant a veto override, yet tariffs do... The GOP gets no points from me on this after that.
Life is unfair...Also, if anybody is planning on trying to primary Trump, standing up to him on the tariffs gives that person a chance to get their name in the papers and make a big splash about reclaiming the Republican party.
Primarying a sitting President is a tricky thing to do, given that you'd need to make a name for yourself opposing him on stuff without pissing off the constituency that elected him. You're trying to court them to your side, after all. But since everyone hates the tariffs, it's a great place to get in front of a podium and go "This f*cking guy, amirite?" without shooting your own platform in the foot.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:57:40 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I don't much about the situation, but to be fair, ending a war is harder than starting one. You can't just start a war, then have the next president end it right away.
Leviticus 19:34Congress wanted to end our support for it, so unless you can provide some evidence that we supported it during Obama's administration then yes Trump vetoing it absolutely makes them responsible.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:39:47 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yanghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention_in_Yemen#United_States
Our support was there from the very beginning.
Not to mention Obama was bombing the shit out of the place beforehand.
Some choice bits:
In March 2015, President Barack Obama declared that he had authorized US forces to provide logistical and intelligence support to the Saudis in their military intervention in Yemen, establishing a "Joint Planning Cell" with Saudi Arabia.[363] This includes aerial refueling permitting coalition aircraft more loitering time over Yemen, and permitting some coalition members to home base aircraft rather than relocate them to Saudi Arabia.[74]
US supported the intervention by "providing intelligence sharing, targeting assistance, advisory and logistical support to the military intervention", according to the state department.[364] In April 2015, the US expanded its intelligence-sharing with the coalition.[365] Deputy Secretary of State Tony Blinken said: "As part of that effort, we have expedited weapons deliveries, we have increased our intelligence sharing, and we have established a joint coordination planning cell in the Saudi operation centre."[366] Human Rights Watch (HRW) said that evidence shows that SA had been using US-supplied cluster bombs outlawed in much of the world.[367] According to Anthony Cordesman, the US government does not want "the strategic Bab-el-Mandeb strait" to be threatened.[368]
The US Navy has actively participated in the Saudi-led naval blockade,[370] which humanitarian organizations argue has been the main contributing factor to the outbreak of famine in Yemen.[371]
On 30 June an HRW report stated that US-made bombs were being used in attacks indiscriminately targeting civilians and violating the laws of war. The report photographed "the remnants of an MK-83 air-dropped 1,000-pound bomb made in the US".[298]
US Representative Ted Lieu has been publicly raising concerns over US support for Saudi-led war in Yemen. In March 2016, he sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter. He wrote in the letter that the "apparent indiscriminate airstrikes on civilian targets in Yemen seem to suggest that either the coalition is grossly negligent in its targeting or is intentionally targeting innocent civilians".[304] Following American concern about civilian casualties in the Saudi-led war in Yemen, the US military involvement is mostly ineffective due to coalition's airstrikes targeting civilian and hospitals.[372]
In 2015 the United States deployed The Green Berets to assist the Saudi Arabian military with missile interception.[373]
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:43:12 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.You originally wondered if Trump can be blamed for our continued support.
The answer, of course, is yes.
Congress wanted to end our support the war in Yemen, Trump stopped it. Ergo, he is responsible.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangTodd Starnes being a total psycho again.
And...look at how he describes his own allies. "bikers" "smelly" "Walmart Patriots". You can veritably smell the Toffee-like disdain he has for his own people. He sees his own people as basically building blocks for his own hateful ends.
Edited by NickTheSwing on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:56:24 AM
Well, he's not wrong in how he describes those.
Edited by Reflextion on Jun 4th 2019 at 6:24:50 AM
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.This is rather new territory for me - am I to understand that women of color were legally barred from voting across the U.S. until the 60's?
Oh God! Natural light!But in spite of their hard work, many people didn’t listen to them. Black men and white women usually led civil rights organizations and set the agenda. They often excluded Black women from their organizations and activities. For example, the National American Woman Suffrage Association prevented Black women from attending their conventions. Black women had to march separately from white women in suffrage parades. In addition, when Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony wrote the History of Woman Suffrage in the 1880s, they featured white suffragists while ignoring the contributions of African American suffragists. Though Black women are less well remembered, they played an important role in getting the Fifteenth and Nineteenth Amendments passed.
Black women found themselves pulled in two directions. Black men wanted their support in fighting racial discrimination and prejudice, while white women wanted them to help change the inferior status of women in American society. Both groups ignored the unique challenges that African American women faced. Black reformers like Mary Church Terrell, Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, and Harriet Tubman understood that both their race and their sex affected their rights and opportunities.
Because of their unique position, Black women tended to focus on human rights and universal suffrage, rather than suffrage solely for African Americans or for women. Many Black suffragists weighed in on the debate over the Fifteenth Amendment, which would enfranchise Black men but not Black women. Mary Ann Shadd Cary spoke in support of the Fifteenth Amendment but was also critical of it as it did not give women the right to vote. Sojourner Truth argued that Black women would continue to face discrimination and prejudice unless their voices were uplifted like those of Black men.
In 1913, Ida B. Wells founded the Alpha Suffrage Club of Chicago. In Boston, Black reformers like Josephine St. Pierre Ruffin and Charlotte Forten Grimke founded the National Association of Colored Women (NACW) in 1869. During their meetings at the Charles Street Meeting House, members discussed ways of attaining civil rights and women’s suffrage. The NACW’s motto, “Lifting as we climb,” reflected the organization’s goal to “uplift” the status of Black women.
After the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified in 1920, Black women voted in elections and held political offices. However, many states passed laws that discriminated against African Americans and limited their freedoms. Black women continued to fight for their rights. Educator and political advisor Mary Mc Leod Bethune formed the National Council of Negro Women in 1935 to pursue civil rights. Tens of thousands of African Americans worked over several decades to secure suffrage, which occurred when the Voting Rights Act passed in 1965. This Act represents more than a century of work by Black women to make voting easier and more equitable.
So yes, it technically made it legal for all woman to vote.
Edited by megaeliz on Jun 4th 2019 at 7:57:24 AM

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