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#282101: Jun 4th 2019 at 9:08:10 AM

Anyone know what has become of Barr's deal with Congress to avoid being held in contempt? I believe there was a set date by which time he was supposed to hand over the redacted portions of the Mueller Report.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#282102: Jun 4th 2019 at 9:26:40 AM

The most recent news about Barr and Contempt charges was separate from the Mueller Report:

The House Oversight and Reform Committee is moving to hold Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena for information about efforts to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. Chairman Elijah Cummings said he would consider postponing the contempt votes if Barr and Ross turn over the requested documents by Thursday.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/03/house-dems-to-hold-barr-ross-in-contempt-over-census-question-1352387

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282103: Jun 4th 2019 at 10:41:55 AM

[up]

Similarly, the Trump administration has overtly instructed former Communications Director Hope Hicks and McGahn's chief-of-staff Annie Donaldson to not turn over documents to the House Judiciary Committee, something the White House kind of lacks the legal grounds to do.

This right here is probably the most bizarre part of the impeachment equation - when it comes to obstruction of justice charges, people are used to it being done covertly, with closed-door meetings, late-night phone calls... anything to keep it from the public eye. Trump, meanwhile, practically uses a bullhorn (called Twitter) when executing his version of it.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 4th 2019 at 1:42:43 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282105: Jun 4th 2019 at 10:52:56 AM

I wonder if there's a law for censure.

Just say officially state upfront Trump is committing crimes and we are disgusted by it.

Because otherwise, you're showing no respect to the law even if you can't convict due to criminal assistance by the Senate.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 4th 2019 at 11:23:55 AM

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#282106: Jun 4th 2019 at 11:11:17 AM

[up]You mean censure? Sure, you can pass that motion. Of course, both Houses of Congress would have to pass it, and Trump would probably veto it out of petty spite.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#282107: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:12:58 PM

The House vote to hold Barr in contempt is officially scheduled for next week.

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#282108: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:17:10 PM

This right here is probably the most bizarre part of the impeachment equation - when it comes to obstruction of justice charges, people are used to it being done covertly, with closed-door meetings, late-night phone calls... anything to keep it from the public eye. Trump, meanwhile, practically uses a bullhorn (called Twitter) when executing his version of it.

He knows he's untouchable.

Democrats won't impeach, they won't arrest his cronies, and they have no other way to force him to cooperate. Trump's conquered our system's checks and balances through Refuge in Audacity. The people whose job it is to keep him in line are too afraid of the consequences of doing so to actually make him stop breaking laws.

At this point, Donald Trump is functionally above the law. Obstruction is a dead end road; that conversation ends in an impeachment hearing, which he already knows will never happen. He's moved from "Not a crime if you don't get caught" to "Not a crime if no one will prosecute it"; Trump cannot be indicted, his cronies will not be indicted, and thus the legal limitations on his power don't really exist. At least with regards to obstruction.

The Emperor knows goddamn well that he's naked. But he also knows everyone else will shut the f*ck up and just watch his junk pass by. So why should he bother wearing clothes?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 4th 2019 at 1:19:26 PM

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#282109: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:24:13 PM

Ah, that age old philosophical question. If a man breaks a law in broad daylight and no one will arrest him, is it still a crime?

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#282110: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:30:36 PM

The people whose job it is to keep him in line are too afraid of the consequences of doing so to actually make him stop breaking laws.

Reminder that the consequences are four more years of this shit.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282111: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:34:43 PM

Which is the fundamental crux of the issue from the Left.

Pelosi sees it as an empty gesture.

A lot of Democratic supporters see the lack of the gesture as collusion.

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#282112: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:36:27 PM

The House is also voting to hold Don Mc Gahn in contempt next week too.

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#282113: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:40:02 PM

A lot of Democratic supporters see the lack of the gesture as collusion.

Which is wrong and founded on nonsense.

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#282114: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:44:07 PM

You can disagree without being rude. Impeachment is in the constitution; it’s law. It’s not optional based on political calculations. I think refusing to move forward is an abominable abdication of responsibility.

[down] The Constitution doesn’t have an “only try once” clause under impeachment. And there’s a massive list of very distinct impeachable issues, from emoulenents violations to tax fraud to Russia to the child concentration camps.

Edited by wisewillow on Jun 4th 2019 at 12:50:01 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#282115: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:46:38 PM

To me it seems straightforward: we're only to get one chance at it. We have to make it count and, right now, we can't do that.

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#282116: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:52:00 PM

While I respect the argument for impeachment, I do think there’s an argument - one with historical basis - that what the law demands isn’t always the moral choice.

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#282117: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:52:24 PM

nombretomado's moderator notice on the impeachment topic is still valid, just FYI.

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#282118: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:55:59 PM

Hate to be a downer, but isn't discussing the merits of impeachment a recently banned topic?

Edit: [nja]

In the meantime, Rep. Matt Goetz (R) of Florida was 'milkshaked' recently leaving a town hall. Milkshaking from my understanding has happened to many a Right-Wing leader in Britain recently, it appears to be a new thing here.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jun 4th 2019 at 3:56:15 PM

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#282119: Jun 4th 2019 at 12:57:33 PM

The constitution may not have a set limit but if you fail once that's bad,if you keep failing that's even worse.We talk about having one chance because they can't afford to keep trying trying and failing.It is of course the 'right' thing to do,he's broken laws thats clear but there's no point in blowing their chances with one action,and when the election is next year..you get the idea

edit: Milkshaking is going to get someone shot,mark my words

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 4th 2019 at 8:10:25 AM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#282120: Jun 4th 2019 at 1:31:05 PM

So, apparently the Senate GOP has openly stated that they'll move to block the Mexico Tariffs that Trump is proposing - enough to override a veto. Holy shit.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 4th 2019 at 4:31:37 AM

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#282121: Jun 4th 2019 at 1:36:37 PM

[up]Well, I don't think many saw that one coming.

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#282122: Jun 4th 2019 at 1:38:10 PM

Does this count as Even Evil Has Standards, or are the tariffs so uncontroversially Stupid Evil that this is Pragmatic Villainy?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#282123: Jun 4th 2019 at 1:38:50 PM

Could this result in a veto/veto override?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#282124: Jun 4th 2019 at 1:38:55 PM

Their financial backers probably pressured them into it.

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#282125: Jun 4th 2019 at 1:46:37 PM

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Trump getting his veto overridden would be glorious though, he would not take it well, he’s liable to lash out at the republican senators over it, he might out Lindsey Graham as revenge.

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