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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The most recent news about Barr and Contempt charges was separate from the Mueller Report:
The House Oversight and Reform Committee is moving to hold Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena for information about efforts to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. Chairman Elijah Cummings said he would consider postponing the contempt votes if Barr and Ross turn over the requested documents by Thursday.
Similarly, the Trump administration has overtly instructed former Communications Director Hope Hicks and McGahn's chief-of-staff Annie Donaldson to not turn over documents to the House Judiciary Committee
, something the White House kind of lacks the legal grounds to do.
This right here is probably the most bizarre part of the impeachment equation - when it comes to obstruction of justice charges, people are used to it being done covertly, with closed-door meetings, late-night phone calls... anything to keep it from the public eye. Trump, meanwhile, practically uses a bullhorn (called Twitter) when executing his version of it.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 4th 2019 at 1:42:43 PM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"I wonder if there's a law for censure.
Just say officially state upfront Trump is committing crimes and we are disgusted by it.
Because otherwise, you're showing no respect to the law even if you can't convict due to criminal assistance by the Senate.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 4th 2019 at 11:23:55 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.He knows he's untouchable.
Democrats won't impeach, they won't arrest his cronies, and they have no other way to force him to cooperate. Trump's conquered our system's checks and balances through Refuge in Audacity. The people whose job it is to keep him in line are too afraid of the consequences of doing so to actually make him stop breaking laws.
At this point, Donald Trump is functionally above the law. Obstruction is a dead end road; that conversation ends in an impeachment hearing, which he already knows will never happen. He's moved from "Not a crime if you don't get caught" to "Not a crime if no one will prosecute it"; Trump cannot be indicted, his cronies will not be indicted, and thus the legal limitations on his power don't really exist. At least with regards to obstruction.
The Emperor knows goddamn well that he's naked. But he also knows everyone else will shut the f*ck up and just watch his junk pass by. So why should he bother wearing clothes?
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 4th 2019 at 1:19:26 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The House is also voting to hold Don Mc Gahn in contempt next week too.
You can disagree without being rude. Impeachment is in the constitution; it’s law. It’s not optional based on political calculations. I think refusing to move forward is an abominable abdication of responsibility.
The Constitution doesn’t have an “only try once” clause under impeachment. And there’s a massive list of very distinct impeachable issues, from emoulenents violations to tax fraud to Russia to the child concentration camps.
Edited by wisewillow on Jun 4th 2019 at 12:50:01 PM
While I respect the argument for impeachment, I do think there’s an argument - one with historical basis - that what the law demands isn’t always the moral choice.
Oh God! Natural light!nombretomado's moderator notice on the impeachment topic
is still valid, just FYI.
Hate to be a downer, but isn't discussing the merits of impeachment a recently banned topic?
Edit:
In the meantime, Rep. Matt Goetz (R) of Florida
was 'milkshaked' recently leaving a town hall. Milkshaking from my understanding has happened to many a Right-Wing leader in Britain recently, it appears to be a new thing here.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Jun 4th 2019 at 3:56:15 PM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerThe constitution may not have a set limit but if you fail once that's bad,if you keep failing that's even worse.We talk about having one chance because they can't afford to keep trying trying and failing.It is of course the 'right' thing to do,he's broken laws thats clear but there's no point in blowing their chances with one action,and when the election is next year..you get the idea
edit: Milkshaking is going to get someone shot,mark my words
Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 4th 2019 at 8:10:25 AM
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverSo, apparently the Senate GOP has openly stated that they'll move to block the Mexico Tariffs that Trump is proposing
- enough to override a veto. Holy shit.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 4th 2019 at 4:31:37 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Does this count as Even Evil Has Standards, or are the tariffs so uncontroversially Stupid Evil that this is Pragmatic Villainy?
My musician pageI’ll believe it when I see it.
Trump getting his veto overridden would be glorious though, he would not take it well, he’s liable to lash out at the republican senators over it, he might out Lindsey Graham as revenge.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Anyone know what has become of Barr's deal with Congress to avoid being held in contempt? I believe there was a set date by which time he was supposed to hand over the redacted portions of the Mueller Report.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.