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#282001: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:00:08 AM

>Those TV series about members of the US government f*cking-up just keep losing to reality.

Fiction is constrained by what people think is possible, reality isn't.

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#282002: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:02:55 AM

Fiction is constrained by what people think would make for a good story, or what fits into a narrative.

Reality usually doesn't fit into narratives though.

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#282003: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:10:36 AM

I would've probably stopped watching the show after so many repeated failures by the house Democrats in regards to the subpoenas. Trump's election would've been fine as a shocker, but the inability of the heroes to give anyone justice would be souring on me.

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#282004: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:19:11 AM

It'd be better to look at it as a season-long struggle as opposed to being resolved within one or two episodes. Or possibly a series-long struggle.

Edited by M84 on Jun 3rd 2019 at 11:19:41 PM

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#282005: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:26:05 AM

Personally, the Designated Heroes mixed in with the actual good guys are the most painful part. note 

[down]Fine, but I still hate the DINOs as much as I hate any republicans.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jun 3rd 2019 at 11:41:06 AM

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#282006: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:39:08 AM

Or maybe we shouldn't be looking at this as if it were a tv show or a movie.

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#282007: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:40:05 AM

Yeah, the writers of the show we're all in have a tendency to subvert tropes all the time. tongue

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#282008: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:44:24 AM

We absolutely shouldn't be looking at it like a TV show or movie. The audience has no control over the events in such a case.

Politics are a Twitch Plays. The audience, as a whole, is playing the game together. We gotta get our shit together and mash B in November or we wind up trying to defeat the Dragonite of Republican politics by worshipping the Helix Fossil.

It might be funny in the moment but then Trump kicks our ass and we lose. Coordination is key.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:45:38 AM

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#282009: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:50:44 AM

[up]Well, with the key difference that while in Twitch Plays, too many of the same input just cancels itself out (or more accurately, results in 0 net movement toward the goal), while that’s not going to happen in the current environment.

The problems are many, though, as well as interwoven and self-sustaining. The closest-to-feasible solution would be just to make sure that as many people as possible who would never vote republican, do vote, vote democrat, and vote downballot. The question is, how do we make sure of that?

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#282010: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:55:54 AM

... I find this conversation about fictional analogies incredibly tasteless given, you know, the life and freaking death consequences of all this and the rise of authoritarianism.

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#282011: Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:00:33 AM

Well, at least it isn't Only the Author Can Save Them Now level of badness. I sincerely think that the US have a much better chance to get it together and fix stuff than other countries in crisis if it's any consolation to you guys.

[up] I think people here are just trying to find some humor to cheer themselves up a bit in the face of depressing reality. Don't be too hard on them.

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#282012: Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:10:19 AM

Humour has been used as a coping mechanism for far more serious situations. There's a difference between that and being flippant.

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#282014: Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:24:53 AM

> Rejected an anit-Muslim hate group's case to put anti-Muslim ads featuring Prophet Mohamed in the DC Metro system.

Oh yeah that would have drawn the extremist out like bees to honey,its not worth the loss of life

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#282016: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:13:35 AM

I wonder what Google did to piss off Der Cheeto.

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#282017: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:14:27 AM

Publish google results that don’t reflect well on him and his buddies, he’s been moaning about it for ages.

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#282018: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:15:36 AM

It's a general Conservative thing, they hate search engines for "liberal bias" and allegedly deprioritizing Conservative sources.

It's nonsense derived from ignorance of how modern technology functions and a dislike of companies that seem leftist from their warped far-right perspective.

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#282019: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:17:39 AM

They did make a "do no evil" pledge. That's pretty Leftist.

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#282020: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:20:41 AM

Not... really.

Basic standards are what everyone has, or what sociopaths pretend to have. Companies as entities are the latter.

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#282021: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:23:38 AM

As far I'm concerned 'Don't be evil' just a quirky phrase they come up and does not mean they have conscience

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#282022: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:28:35 AM

[up] To be honest the "do no evil" badge just reminded me of the oaths doctors are supposed to take, about them vowing to do nothing that would actively worsen the condition of the patient - even though that is commonly rendered as "do no harm".

Edited by akanesarumara on Jun 3rd 2019 at 7:29:11 PM

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#282023: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:30:44 AM

The difference is that fundamentally the purpose of Doctors is to help people, so their oath is just to remind them of that.

A for-profit entity promising to do no harm is just a sick joke, their purpose if permitted to go to its logical conclusion will inevitably result in large amounts of harm.

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#282024: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:34:08 AM

[up] Yeah true. I've also seen that phrase

  • expanded into the reasoning of "if you are unsure what to do, consult someone, not knowing everything is not the end of the world even for a doctor - and this is especially true if you are off duty but happen upon an accident/are getting first aid training."
  • used as a reasoning behind opposing euthanasia (and as follows as the reason why medical people are forbidden from having anything to do with executions in the US if I remember right)

You are right about the corporations though.

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#282025: Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:40:43 AM

A for-profit entity promising to do no harm is just a sick joke, their purpose if permitted to go to its logical conclusion will inevitably result in large amounts of harm.

That's a weird conclusion.

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