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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281951: Jun 1st 2019 at 6:43:41 AM

I find it akin to a Catholic saying he can confess anything so he can do anything.

Bleah, Barr.

Mind you I'm not sure why he wants his last days to be spent defending a monster. I guess he's a True Believer in Trump.

Supply Side Jesus.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281952: Jun 1st 2019 at 6:45:08 AM

Yeah, that all smells just a bit atheophobic to me. The guy can be a rationalizing asshole without having to bring all that into it.

Wait are you criticizing with me or agreeing with me?

Because my idea is that Barr's statements is an insult to atheist morality and despicable even if I don't share those views.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#281953: Jun 1st 2019 at 6:57:16 AM

[up] Personally, I find the phrase “atheist morality” to be a little iffy in and of itself. Atheism isn’t a belief system, and atheists have the same morality as everyone else. You’re linking nihilism and atheism together, which is just a bit offensive.

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281954: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:02:21 AM

No, nihilism means there's no inherent meaning. You can believe in theistic nihilism (the gods just don't matter). Atheism means no belief in the supernatural and can believe in inherent meaning or self-granted meaning.

I find the idea that there's no afterlife to be a horrifying excuse to go for Trump.

My apologies if I was offensive—that was the opposite of what I meant. I was offended on behalf of atheists who I have never met any who would use that excuse.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 1st 2019 at 7:04:54 AM

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#281955: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:04:49 AM

[up][up]Pardon? Atheists can do morals; atheist secular humanism — system of morals and ethics, right there.

Believing that people are people and have the rights to be people is a belief. Mate.

And, it's not the only framework.

Barr is the one who is using "eh — ain't religious; consequences smonchequences — I'm alright, Jack" as a "framework". That ain't atheist, or even "baby's first brush with nihilism".

What it is is highly antisocial.

[down]Yup. Totally got it.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Jun 1st 2019 at 3:07:08 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281956: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:05:40 AM

Everyone gets I'm saying atheists are moral people, right? That is the literally the point that I'm angry at Barr for implying otherwise.

Because I'm down for getting in the face of anyone who says they're not.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 1st 2019 at 7:06:44 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#281957: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:12:34 AM

I’m just going to leave it alone, the fact that you’re even feeling a need to reiterate that atheists can be moral too is telling enough here.

They should have sent a poet.
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#281958: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:13:25 AM

Yeah Barr is appearing to be the real life version of the stupid false trope that if people don’t believe in god they’ll loose all morality because fear is all that keeps people in line.

[up] Barr explicitly cited his atheism as the reason he’s an immoral shitbag, responding to that is natural.

Edited by Silasw on Jun 1st 2019 at 2:14:30 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281959: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:17:40 AM

I’m just going to leave it alone, the fact that you’re even feeling a need to reiterate that atheists can be moral too is telling enough here.

It strikes me as very much the view of a man who doesn't know its a dangerous belief where I'm from. I've had to protect people from beatings.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 1st 2019 at 7:17:58 AM

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#281960: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:21:29 AM

[up][up] Wait, Barr is an Atheist? That's news to me. Does that make him the first Atheist Attorney General?

But on topic, of course Atheists have morals and morality. Almost all Humans have morals, even if we don't agree on those morals. Barr clearly has the morals of 'Trump is my boss, and I gotta protect him at all cost'.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281961: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:42:04 AM

Its weirdly hypocritical given his voting history but Barr does whatever is in Barr's interests.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#281962: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:43:04 AM

It doesn't even sound like he's saying anything atheistic. It just sounds like your standard 'in a hundred years no one will remember this even happened' thing.

Unless I'm misremembering and Homer was a Christian theologian, of course.

It's been fun.
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#281963: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:44:33 AM

He’s saying that there’s no afterlife where he will be punished/rewarded for his behaviour, that’s a pretty clear rejection of most religions.

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#281964: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:49:41 AM

Then it's up to whoever's in charge of his section's authority to make sure he isn't a Karma Houdini.

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#281965: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:51:21 AM

Sounds more to me like he's just unconcerned about his legacy. Giuliani said the same thing.

Granted, a few days later Giuliani was drunk and bemoaning that this was all he'd be remembered for, so make of that what you will.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#281966: Jun 1st 2019 at 8:01:02 AM

For better or worse, I think it's safe to say Trump will be a well remembered piece of our history down the line.

Which actually irks me a little, given Trump's such an Attention Whore.

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#281967: Jun 1st 2019 at 8:19:22 AM

Trump doesn't want to be remembered. He wants to be remembered with adoration. He wants to be remembered as someone who is wonderful, exceptional, and someone everyone else in the world desperately wants to be. Memory isn't enough for him: it's the image that matters.

And the image that will be remembered is not the one he wants.

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#281968: Jun 1st 2019 at 9:48:33 AM

Granted, a few days later Giuliani was drunk and bemoaning that this was all he'd be remembered for, so make of that what you will.

In short, it's a coping mechanism. They're trying to say/believe whatever gets them through the day.

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#281969: Jun 1st 2019 at 9:57:10 AM

@Trump LGBT Shirts appeal: The few TERF White Lesbian and Gay people who are so virulent they actually cheer on his anti Trans agenda?

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#281970: Jun 1st 2019 at 10:00:34 AM

Barr is saying he doesn't believe immortality comes from people singing your praises after death. That's not the same thing as saying he doesn't believe in immortality. Quite the opposite, in fact. He's referring to the ideal that true immortality of the self is not something humans can obtain, and that reputation is the only part of you that survives.

Rejecting belief in that and not caring what people say about you after death is not atheistic. It's entirely compatible with the majority of religions that have afterlives.

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#281971: Jun 1st 2019 at 10:39:34 AM

[up][up] He's appealing more to the type of gay and lesbian snobs, which unfortunately do exist, who are okay overlooking the administration's attacks on the LGBT community, as long as he makes sure their tax cuts keep coming.

Life is unfair...
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#281972: Jun 1st 2019 at 10:45:32 AM

I'm pretty sure the majority of LGBT people do not support Trump, the few exceptions are fucks like Catelyn Jenner who want lower taxes and don't care about other people.

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#281973: Jun 1st 2019 at 11:36:22 AM

Jenner has withdrawn her support.

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#281974: Jun 1st 2019 at 11:46:48 AM

Don't know about now, but it appears that back in the 90s Barr was calling for 'God's Law' to be applied in America. Basically, his opinions seem to be 'traditional values are being attacked and we should all become Catholics.' I don't see where the other article says he's an atheist, I just get the impression he's saying that he doesn't care what people think of him, he'll do what he wants because he thinks it's moral. Somehow.

Edit: As of his confirmation hearing in January, he was describing himself as Roman Catholic.

Actually, this ties into what bugs me about the viewpoints of certain older conservative politicians. They don't care what kind of world the rest of us are going to have to live in after they've damaged it.

Edited by Pseudopartition on Jun 1st 2019 at 1:50:41 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#281975: Jun 1st 2019 at 12:24:06 PM

Jenner has withdrawn her support.

Don't care.

She can't withdraw her original vote.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 1st 2019 at 12:24:34 PM

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