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akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#281751: May 29th 2019 at 8:52:36 AM

Yeah I thought what Mueller said in the interview basically amounted to "something is fishy, but we can't prove anything definitive"? All they said is that Donald Trump personally had no dealings with the Russians, but that didn't say anything about anyone in his employ or involved in his campaign for example.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#281752: May 29th 2019 at 8:53:13 AM

Except the Democratic Party cannot do it alone. One of two things needs to happen first:

1) They take the Senate and keep the House in 2020.

2) GOP Senators find their moral compass.

YMMV on which is more likely. (It's the first one)

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#281753: May 29th 2019 at 8:54:17 AM

> GOP Senators find their moral compass.

they're such terrible sailors they lost it at sea

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#281754: May 29th 2019 at 8:56:22 AM

[up] Except the chances of Dems taking the Senate back in 2020 are slim to none

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Lost in Space
#281755: May 29th 2019 at 8:56:24 AM

It's hard to imagine a scenario in which Democrats win the House and Senate in 2020 but lose the Presidency. That would be strange. It's all or nothing, and if we replace Trump, none of the rest of this matters. He can be prosecuted once he's a private citizen again, and I really hope that he is.

[up] I wouldn't say that's true. In 2018, more Democratic seats were up for votes than Republican. The converse is true in 2020. We always have a chance.

Edited by Fighteer on May 29th 2019 at 11:57:09 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#281756: May 29th 2019 at 8:57:55 AM

[up][up]And the odds of the GOP Senators being willing to impeach Trump are even slimmer. And there's what [up] said.

Edited by M84 on May 29th 2019 at 11:58:29 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281757: May 29th 2019 at 8:58:01 AM

The house doesn't need to impeach Trump. The house needs to go after all of Trump's cronies, though. They do not have his protections.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#281758: May 29th 2019 at 8:59:03 AM

[up]That's kind of what they're doing already. It's taking a while because they're trying to confirm just how many they need to charge.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#281759: May 29th 2019 at 8:59:17 AM

Except the chances of Dems taking the Senate back in 2020 are slim to none

I want a source for this claim.

Five Thirty Eight doesn't have any predictions up, I think it's extremely preemptive to state that a Senate map where many Republicans are up for election has no chance of a Democratic victory.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#281760: May 29th 2019 at 9:08:26 AM

Frankly, the Democrats have needed to focus more on the House and Senate than they have for like... decades. It seems like they've focused a lot on the Presidency in recent decades to the detriment of their representation in the Congress. It doesn't matter how many seats are up for grabs; you're not going to gain anything if you don't focus your efforts there.

Edited by AceofSpades on May 29th 2019 at 11:09:01 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#281761: May 29th 2019 at 9:09:24 AM

I figured that the 2020 Senate was a toss up, according to most estimates (though its awfully early)?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#281762: May 29th 2019 at 9:13:52 AM

On this topic:

Lindsey Graham draws a Democratic challenger who mocks his ties to Trump – Jaime Harrison, the former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, formally kicked off his campaign Wednesday for a U.S. Senate seat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/lindsey-graham-draws-a-democratic-challenger-who-mocks-his-ties-to-trump/2019/05/29/e659f6b0-81fb-11e9-933d-7501070ee669_story.html

Also, impeachment is officially impossible as things stand, given yesterday's WTF feed:

Republican senators vowed to quash impeachment against Trump if the House passes articles. Mitch McConnell is required to act on articles of impeachment, but has broad authority to set the parameters of a trial.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/445512-senate-gop-pledges-to-quickly-quash-any-trump-impeachment-charges

Edited by sgamer82 on May 29th 2019 at 10:17:28 AM

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#281763: May 29th 2019 at 9:16:37 AM

While he’s no McConnel, Graham is definitely one of the senators I’d be happiest to see go.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281764: May 29th 2019 at 9:35:06 AM

Trump tweeted today that he had nothing against Roy Moore but they should elect another Republican instead of him.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#281765: May 29th 2019 at 9:40:06 AM

Never thought I'd agree with Trump on something... although for different reasons. Trump wants somebody else (presumably someone with less baggage) so that they can get a Republican in Doug Jones's seat, while I just plain want Roy Moore to go away and never enter politics again.

Edited by speedyboris on May 29th 2019 at 11:40:29 AM

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#281766: May 29th 2019 at 9:46:47 AM

Fourthspartan, actually, 538 did have an article about the Senate elections that stated they are leaning Republican majority, mainly because you need to win some pretty dicey states.

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#281767: May 29th 2019 at 9:58:02 AM

@TobiasDrake:

Another subpoena bites the dust.
Exaggerating much?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#281768: May 29th 2019 at 10:32:16 AM

[up] Probably, though that said I'm unclear on whether or not the story referenced means the House won't be getting the documents it's asking for

A link to the actual story: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/25/politics/trump-house-committee-agreement-stay-subpoena/

Edited by sgamer82 on May 29th 2019 at 11:34:53 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#281769: May 29th 2019 at 11:35:40 AM

Fourthspartan, actually, 538 did have an article about the Senate elections that stated they are leaning Republican majority, mainly because you need to win some pretty dicey states.

Thanks for the information, even if that turns out to be completely accurate that's rather different from "slim to none odds".

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The Shadow
#281770: May 29th 2019 at 11:37:31 AM

While I'm here, what does everyone think of the theory that Biden being the Democratic nominee will help elect Trump a 2nd time?

The theory goes that people who don't like Biden, think he's too Republican-like, or just refuse to do the "lesser of two evils" thing will just abstain from voting, thus handing Trump the win

[up] Alright, I concede I may have exaggerated a bit. Still doesn't seem all that likely though

Edited by MrHellboy on May 29th 2019 at 1:38:34 PM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#281771: May 29th 2019 at 11:43:51 AM

The issue with Biden I’m worried about is less deliberate abstentions versus HE IS NOT EXCITING. Like, he doesn’t inspire apathetic/busy people to run out and become new voters. And we need to massively increase turnout, so...

Edited by wisewillow on May 29th 2019 at 11:44:27 AM

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#281772: May 29th 2019 at 11:55:19 AM

A page out of the Republicans' book: select a candidate to whom the media will give lots of free advertisement because they're ratings gold. Who would that be?

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#281773: May 29th 2019 at 12:13:20 PM

Speaking of the turtle more evil than Bowser, he quickly agreed that, were a Supreme Court seat open up in 2020, the Senate would confirm a nominee. To deny Hypocrite allegations, he tried narrowing the scope by saying that "The Leader has noted on multiple occasions that not since the 1880s has a 'vacancy created in a presidential year' been 'confirmed by the party opposite the occupant of the White House.' His comments in Paducah yesterday simply repeated this. If there is a vacancy next year, because the White House and the Senate are the same party, we would vote to fill the slot."

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Lost in Space
#281774: May 29th 2019 at 12:14:40 PM

Yeah, so it's straight-up a party thing. Thanks, McConnell, for being honest. For once.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#281775: May 29th 2019 at 12:17:53 PM

[up]

Not to mention the intensity of the weasel words at play there - "not since the 1880s" only means that no party has confirmed a Supreme Court Justice for the opposing party during an election year. The why of it isn't even obliquely referenced, as the odds of requiring such a replacement during an election year is slim to nil.

Edited by ironballs16 on May 29th 2019 at 3:18:22 PM

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