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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#281526: May 26th 2019 at 3:38:36 PM

Before long they're going to start using Deepfake manipulation to smear people

what I mean by DeepFake

Edited by Ultimatum on May 26th 2019 at 10:38:48 AM

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DarkPaladinX Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#281527: May 27th 2019 at 10:07:07 AM

I've actually heard about deepfakes in a CNN article. It's pretty scary how our technology has been so advanced that we can manipulate videos (both image and voice) to dicredit well-known world leaders, celebrities, and politicians. Not only that, deepfakes makes it impossible to tell which video is the real thing or not.

Deepfakes can be used to either advance or discredit a political and/or social agenda. Imagine deepfakes being used to promote white supremacy or to discredit LGBT and civil rights.

Edited by DarkPaladinX on May 27th 2019 at 10:08:09 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#281528: May 27th 2019 at 10:23:34 AM

At least the technology isn't so advanced that deepfakes can't be detected, but by the time it is the lies have already spread and most people can't use or access verification programs.

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#281529: May 27th 2019 at 10:43:53 AM

Deepfakes are one of those things that should be illegal. simply because its inherently damaging to both discourse and public figures.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on May 27th 2019 at 10:45:03 AM

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#281530: May 27th 2019 at 10:46:02 AM

They kind of already are under the 'revenge porn' crime

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#281531: May 27th 2019 at 10:51:15 AM

You can ban it all you want, won't do anything to stop it, doubly so when many of the perps are outside your jurisdiction.

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#281532: May 27th 2019 at 11:34:27 AM

Not to mention, all that’s needed even if deepfakes were outlawed is a scapegoat, if even that, unless the punishment for knowingly broadcasting a deepfake was the dismantling of the network in its entirety, which won’t happen. Once the footage is broadcast, the damage is done and the public’s (as a whole) perception is irrevocably tainted, as portrayed in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Justice For All and listed here under Disregard That Statement when Franziska revealed an illegally obtained photo “off-the-record” to lead the judge astray.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 27th 2019 at 2:47:14 PM

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#281533: May 27th 2019 at 11:42:31 AM

I'm skeptical of the idea that legal enforcement wouldn't change anything, it's certainly better than doing nothing.

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#281534: May 27th 2019 at 11:56:39 AM

One of the scariest things about deepfakes is that their very existence will provide a defense for *actual* atrocious things that get caught on camera. Not just smearing people who didn't do anything wrong, but providing a defense for people who totally did. I don't look forward to people like Trump having another tool to gaslight people.

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#281535: May 27th 2019 at 11:57:03 AM

If the punishment is more than just a slap on the wrist, I would agree that it’d be worth instating. The problem is, I don’t see how such a punishment could get legally instated with anything close to the current state of American institutions. At the very least, it’d have to apply to network executives, not just the showrunners who hosted the broadcast.

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#281536: May 27th 2019 at 12:21:00 PM

Vice President Pence spoke to the West Point graduating class on Saturday, and amid the standard congratulations and tributes to the graduates, he said something truly shocking:

It is a virtual certainty that you will fight on a battlefield for America at some point in your life. You will lead soldiers in combat. It will happen.

Some of you will join the fight against radical Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some of you will join the fight on the Korean Peninsula and in the Indo-Pacific, where North Korea continues to threaten the peace, and an increasingly militarized China challenges our presence in the region. Some of you will join the fight in Europe, where an aggressive Russia seeks to redraw international boundaries by force. And some of you may even be called upon to serve in this hemisphere.

And when that day comes, I know you will move to the sound of the guns and do your duty, and you will fight, and you will win. The American people expect nothing less.

So, wherever you’re called, I urge you to take what you learned here and put it into practice. Put your armor on, so that when — not if — that day comes, you’ll be able to stand your ground.

Let’s pause and consider what this means. Pence is saying not just that more wars are inevitable, but that they are inevitable soon. Let’s not forget that while many of those who attend the service academies go on to careers in the military, many do not. They have an eight-year commitment after graduation — five years on active duty and three in the reserves.

So the vice president announced to these young men and women that within the next eight years, they will all see combat. In fact, Pence sees America waging war everywhere very soon, whether it’s “the fight on the Korean Peninsula and in the Indo-Pacific,” “the fight in Europe” or somewhere in Latin America. As for Iraq and Afghanistan, Pence is saying that there will be no end to not just American presence but American combat in those places.

What’s most troubling about Pence’s statement is that it treats American invasions of other countries as simply a given, something out of our hands to decide whether or not we want to do. It’s a dangerous world out there, so we have no choice in the matter. It’s just the way it is and always will be. Not only that, these invasions will happen so frequently that at least a few of them are an absolute certainty within any eight-year period. And not any piddling little Grenada-style invasions, but invasions requiring such a large mobilization that every Army officer who graduated from West Point in recent years will see combat.

...

This is a view of the world that leads to catastrophes like the Iraq War. So let’s be clear: We absolutely have a choice in the question of how often we decide to invade other countries. Every one of the many, many invasions we have undertaken was a choice. And most of them turned out terribly for everyone involved, particularly the people unfortunate enough to live in the places we sent our military.

Imagine looking at the history of American military action over the last couple of decades and thinking that we really couldn’t have done much differently, since this is the burden we have to bear as the global hegemon. If that’s your point of view, it makes it much more likely that in any future conflict, you’ll decide that launching a major military action in which American and foreign lives will be lost is something other than a failure and a tragedy.

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#281537: May 27th 2019 at 12:50:07 PM

I don't like saying the words "to be fair to Mike Pence", but if you look at the kinds of conflicts that are going on on Earth I can certainly see why a politician would say that war is very likely in the next eight years.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#281538: May 27th 2019 at 12:52:01 PM

Same here, while he phrased it terribly, he isn't exactly wrong.

And frankly, I'd be cheering standing up to Moscow and Beijing if this was a more competent admin.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#281539: May 27th 2019 at 12:54:54 PM

American intervention is also something that was desperately needed for peace-keeping and to help its allies in many places where it was not sent.

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#281540: May 27th 2019 at 1:09:18 PM

When it's a choice between Trump's America, Xi's China and Putin's Russia, I'll take Trump's America any damn day.

Because unlike in the other two entities, Americans - and not just the political class - actually give a damn about the world. The other two, not so much - for them, it'a all about them and damn everyone else.

Given the state of the world, conflict is very likely. So nothing wrong with Pence saying what he did say. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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#281541: May 27th 2019 at 1:19:03 PM

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/politico-magazine-accused-of-anti-semitism-over-bernie-sanders-illustration-1.7287808

Alexandria Cortez talks about how a lot of Bernie criticism is Anti-Semetic in nature.

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#281542: May 27th 2019 at 1:21:26 PM

Hmm, that is pretty shitty.

Good thing none of my criticisms of him have anything to do with him being Jewish.

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#281543: May 27th 2019 at 1:31:30 PM

I hope you'll all forgive me for hearing a politician mention the likelihood of war with North Korea, Russia and China - not to mention "this hemisphere", which honestly brings to mind some very nasty scenarios - and thinking that sounds catastrophic.

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#281544: May 27th 2019 at 1:31:36 PM

[up][up]He's about as far from the typical Conspiracy Theory Jewish Caricature as it gets, though.

Edited by Oruka on May 27th 2019 at 1:39:21 AM

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#281545: May 27th 2019 at 1:32:27 PM

[up] Were you going to respond to that quoteblock?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#281546: May 27th 2019 at 1:32:33 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Well yeah, I mean Trump is a horrible guy, but I'd still rather live under him than under Xi or Putin. Not even close.

[up][up][up][up][up] And off course, everytime AOC brings something like this up, all these Trumptards come out of the woods crying "But you defended Ilhan Omar, she hates ALL jewish people!"

Edited by Forenperser on May 27th 2019 at 10:33:02 AM

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#281547: May 27th 2019 at 1:36:27 PM

[up][up]Yeah, my bad, I got distracted. I'll move it down here.

Because unlike in the other two entities, Americans - and not just the political class - actually give a damn about the world. The other two, not so much - for them, it'a all about them and damn everyone else.

What I meant to say is that both the Chinese and to a lesser extent the Russians propagandize themselves as world saviours. Winnie here loves to talk about global happiness, and how the USA gets in the way of that. Likewise the USA talk a good game, but, at the end of the day, they'd rather allow poppy traffic to continue in Afghanistan, than subsidize farming that would compete with US national production, to give a particularly tragic example.

Edited by Oruka on May 27th 2019 at 1:39:43 AM

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#281548: May 27th 2019 at 1:37:12 PM

As a Jew, that is indeed anti-Semitic. As a critic of Bernie Sanders, there are much better things to criticize him on than the fact he's somewhat rich.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#281549: May 27th 2019 at 1:42:54 PM

I think the purpose is to spin it as hypocrisy, i.e. "How can you call yourself a socialist if you're rich?!"

Which ist just mindbogglingy stupid if you know even a bit about Karl Marx' friend Friedrich Engels.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on May 27th 2019 at 10:43:14 AM

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Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#281550: May 27th 2019 at 1:43:41 PM

Sanders on Saturday asked for support to help him to defeat President Donald Trump, who he called “the most dangerous president in the history of this country.”

Ehhh... More dangerous than Andrew Jackson?

The Haaretz article is surprisingly complimentary of Sanders. What's his image in Israel among the different political groups?

Edited by Oruka on May 27th 2019 at 1:46:00 AM


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