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#281026: May 17th 2019 at 9:24:40 AM

The hearing is not scheduled. It's currently hanging in limbo, to be scheduled at an unspecified point in the future alongside an unspecified number of other contempt charges, none of which have been voted on or even suggested by committee.

YMMV on whether

  1. Pelosi is sincere that she plans to someday, at some point in the distant future have a huge mass-contempt hearing for multiple members of the Trump cabinet including Barr.
  2. Pelosi is just trying to make the cowardly decision to drop the issue sound good to her base, in the hopes that they'll eventually forget about it and she can just silently kill the vote.

You're welcome to draw your own conclusions. But it's not difficult to tell which conclusion William Barr has drawn, based on his and other members' of the Trump Executive's behavior. They are entirely confident that the Trump Executive has beaten the House's oversight attempts through sheer Refuge in Audacity.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 17th 2019 at 10:25:55 AM

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#281027: May 17th 2019 at 10:22:01 AM

Tariffs on Canadian and Mexican steel and aluminum imports to be lifted within the next 48 hours after a call between Trump and Trudeau.

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#281028: May 17th 2019 at 10:23:50 AM

I credit Justin. [down]Are we in a Comic Book?

Edited by Oruka on May 17th 2019 at 10:39:27 AM

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#281029: May 17th 2019 at 10:37:06 AM

We got some good news from Trump and now here's the bad news: Trump has declared some auto part imports a national security threat, but has delayed a decision for six months.

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#281030: May 17th 2019 at 10:52:48 AM

On the topic of Michael Flynn, apparently he'd informed Mueller of multiple attempts at influencing his testimony, and the article references a voicemail mentioned in the Mueller report that Flynn had turned over.

"[I]t wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with ... the government," the attorney said in the voicemail message, according to Mueller.

[I]f... there's information that implicates the President, then we've got a national security issue [so] ... we need some kind of heads-up. Just for the sake of protecting all our interests if we can .... [R]emember what we've always said about the President and his feelings toward Flynn and, that still remains."

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The more interesting part is this - “The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could’ve affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation," says the newly revealed section of a sentencing memo originally filed in December.

Edited by ironballs16 on May 17th 2019 at 2:00:16 PM

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#281031: May 17th 2019 at 10:57:58 AM

For context, the "attorney" quoted there is just identified in the article as "one of Trump's personal attorneys" circa November 2017.

So probably Cohen.

In anycase, it's an interesting nothingburger, but a nonthingburger nonetheless.

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#281032: May 17th 2019 at 11:05:32 AM

Until such a time as the House is willing to take action on any of it, everything related to the Mueller probe is officially a nothingburger.

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#281033: May 17th 2019 at 11:24:37 AM

And in news reinforcing that women aren't the only ones who can be victims of sexual assault (while unfortunately reinforcing the Depraved Homosexual trope), Ohio State's former doctor was found to have sexually abused around 177 male student-athletes from 1979 to 1997, before retiring in 1998 and committing suicide in 2005. And worst of all, it was basically an open secret - The report found many of the students thought the doctor’s behavior was an “open secret” and that their coaches, trainers and other team doctors knew about it. The students described the examinations by Strauss as being “hazed” or going through a “rite of passage.”

One of those that allegedly knew about the claims is current Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH), though he claims the report vindicates him.

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#281034: May 17th 2019 at 11:32:24 AM

Child molestation seems to be one of those "open secrets" that permeates institutions. Nobody ever wants to admit it publicly because it would reflect badly on them. I wonder how we'll ever get that problem fixed.

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#281035: May 17th 2019 at 11:33:24 AM

Predators exist in vast numbers in any location that gives them access to victims. It's how you respond to it that defines you.

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#281037: May 17th 2019 at 11:47:52 AM

The Boy Scouts also discovered that, yes, there was massive abuse there as well.

It turns out the Catholic Church was not unique in this.

But it should have been.

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#281038: May 17th 2019 at 11:51:16 AM

Jim Jordan is a Tea Party guy, we all know how trustworthy these people are.

I dunno, I think the problem is that when we hear the words "rape" or "sexual abuse" we think something that involves a high amount of violence and psychological trauma by people who are obviously thugs. Especially the latter isn't correct way too many times.

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#281039: May 17th 2019 at 12:10:07 PM

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Agreed. And it's not necessarily limited to rape/sexual assault, either. Back when I worked as a substitute teacher (at the High School I graduated from), I saw a group of boys snickering at the back of the room during a "study hall" (read: no sub lesson plan) class. Come to find out, nude pics of one of their classmates was pretty widespread on student phones, and they even offered to show me. I declined, because duh, and reported it to the main office afterward.

The school, I think, handled it better than most - no charges were filed for disseminating child pornography, but they held an assembly emphasizing the issues at play for students with it. However, I subsequently saw a very sharp drop in how often I was called in to sub, including one case where the teacher explicitly requested me. The message at that point was clear - Head-in-the-Sand Management was strictly at play here, as they didn't want reports about student misbehavior getting out and impugning their reputation.

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In fairness, it's not just the right-wing. Due in large part to shows like "To Catch a Predator", the average citizen immediately thinks "Child rapist" when the term "sex offender" is mentioned, even if that is nowhere near the reality of the situation. I recall reading an article about a decade ago about a man in Florida who slept with an underage girl he'd met in a bar (who used a fake ID). He pleaded out after being arrested, and his subsequent sex offender status meant that, when his wife (who he'd met later and knew about the situation) got pregnant, he had to move out of the house because he wasn't allowed near children.

Edited by ironballs16 on May 17th 2019 at 3:20:19 PM

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#281040: May 17th 2019 at 12:16:54 PM

I find it highly disturbing btw how obsessed the right in the USA is with pedophiles. They see them everywhere, accuse everyone in the opposition they want to destroy, conjure up entire conspiracy theories around it.....yet outright ignore the very REAL and CONFIRMED pedophiles in their beloved church.

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#281041: May 17th 2019 at 12:19:24 PM

Projection, what can I say?

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#281042: May 17th 2019 at 12:20:02 PM

[up][up]GOP: Gaslight, Obstruct, Project. This falls under project.

Also,[nja]

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 17th 2019 at 3:20:17 PM

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#281043: May 17th 2019 at 12:21:48 PM

I think projection is a rather strong word to use here, unless paedophilia among right wingers there is far more widespread than what I've heard of.

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#281044: May 17th 2019 at 12:27:36 PM

I think it's slightly less projection and more the very ugly extreme of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!", since you often see them equating large amounts of issues to the supposed safety of children. It's a default argument for the right, because it does indeed create something of a kneejerk reaction in people.

The Right is very much about appealing to emotion.

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#281045: May 17th 2019 at 12:31:37 PM

It is absolutely projection. They take all negative traits that exist among themselves and project them onto whoever they don't like. It's a defensive response, like a skunk spraying: the equivalent of a child yelling, "No you!"

The fact that it is also part of a coordinated public strategy for deflecting criticism doesn't change any of the above.

Edited by Fighteer on May 17th 2019 at 3:32:33 PM

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#281046: May 17th 2019 at 12:46:31 PM

See: Roy Moore the Mall Rat, Donald Trump the Pageant Peeper.

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#281047: May 17th 2019 at 12:46:38 PM

Nah, I don't think this is projection at all (to begin with, there is no evidence). I'd think more of law-and-order thinking (here in Switzerland, the right wing party has been bearing this banner for a while) when it comes to the paedophilia topic.

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#281048: May 17th 2019 at 12:48:10 PM

Please specify. As far as I know, "Law And Order" is dogwhistle for "Jail N*****s"

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#281049: May 17th 2019 at 12:49:51 PM

A correction for the non-Americans but Catholics are not accepted as members of the Religious Right. Many of the GOP don't consider them Christian at all. The Right in America are actually fairly lax on sex crimes and very often are prone to victim blaming. They are individuals who have a history of defending rapists and sex offenders as long as they're white and male.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 17th 2019 at 12:51:39 PM

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#281050: May 17th 2019 at 12:50:56 PM

The Speaker for the Missouri House of Representatives, which just passed an abortion ban, dressed as Dr Seymour Bush, gynecologist. I think the pics are real? If they’re real I hope this gets spread around right quick.

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