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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#280901: May 16th 2019 at 9:22:29 AM

Probably many of the same people who didn't vote the last time around. Don't assume most of them have learned a lesson, even now.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#280902: May 16th 2019 at 9:22:46 AM

People I've personally talked to at work and on other online platforms. You know.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280903: May 16th 2019 at 9:23:13 AM

They're hardly mythical, even if their derogatory nickname is the "Unicorn Brigade".

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#280904: May 16th 2019 at 9:25:55 AM

The practical question (at least for the White House race) is; can these leftists be made up for by the Union vote in the Midwest if Biden (or a similar nominee) gets the nod?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#280905: May 16th 2019 at 9:28:38 AM

Yeah, we're talking about the self-proclaimed American left, the Bernie-Or-Bust, the Unicorn Brigade, the kinds of people who refuse to vote for a Democrat if they have said or done anything that they disagree with, regardless of how evil their Republican opponent is.

There are a lot of them, and they're very annoying. Let's put it this way: this group is a lot larger than the inverse, people who vote Democrat but would not vote for someone pushing leftist policies and ideas.

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#280906: May 16th 2019 at 9:31:25 AM

I personally know Bernie-or-busters who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 because she was a "corporate shill", unironically and ignorantly aping the character attacks pushed by Russian trolls and by the Trump campaign. Many of them don't even have the self-awareness to rethink that choice.

Edited by Fighteer on May 16th 2019 at 12:32:15 PM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#280907: May 16th 2019 at 9:38:29 AM

Question is, is there a way to get them to vote Democrat now that Hillary is out of the picture? Or is their myopia/Sanders fetishism that broad?

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#280908: May 16th 2019 at 9:45:46 AM

I’d remind everyone that the 2016 Bernie-or-busy group was the same size as the 2008 Hillary-or-bust group.

Don’t mistake loudness on twitter for actual numbers.

Also keep in mind that many “or bust” voters aren’t democrats, they’re republicans who wouldn’t have voted for their choice in the primary at the main either. They’re not a purely left-wing problem.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#280909: May 16th 2019 at 9:47:34 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]That assumes that a more leftist candidate wouldn’t get the Union vote, which is not necessarily the case.

On the other hand there really isn’t enough of those Bernie or Bust leftist to tilt the vote either way so appealing to them really isn’t useful anyway.

Edited by Mio on May 16th 2019 at 12:48:41 PM

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#280910: May 16th 2019 at 9:54:23 AM

The cynic in me thinks fewer people will refuse to vote for Biden out of bothsidesism because he's a man.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#280911: May 16th 2019 at 10:01:08 AM

The cynic in me says "Hey, whatever works"

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#280912: May 16th 2019 at 10:05:06 AM

my inner cynic and optimist have this say

"people will vote for whoever is louder and Trump is louder so.."

"Come off it! There's one candidate worth a damn in this race and people will hopefully realise this when they reflect on years since Trump's election"

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#280913: May 16th 2019 at 10:55:58 AM

I registered to vote last year for the midterms, would it still be valid next year?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280914: May 16th 2019 at 10:57:42 AM

Yes, but double check your status anyway.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#280915: May 16th 2019 at 11:05:40 AM

The cynic in me thinks fewer people will refuse to vote for Biden out of bothsidesism because he's a man.

You're almost certainly right, Obama-Trump voters voted because of racism and sexism it's very likely that Biden would do better amongst them when compared to Clinton.

Still, if Biden wins the primary then I'll already consider that a loss. He will do absolutely nothing to address the major structural issues that infect our nation and has uttered worrying idiocy about being "bipartisan". Trump would be worse but that says little.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#280916: May 16th 2019 at 11:21:14 AM

What’s next for Alabama abortion ban? ACLU aims to halt measure

https://www.al.com/politics/2019/05/whats-next-for-alabama-abortion-ban-aclu-aims-to-halt-measure.html?outputType=amp

The Alabama ACLU has begin steps to resist the full abortion bill.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#280917: May 16th 2019 at 11:27:25 AM

Alabama has an ACLU?

Do not obey in advance.
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#280918: May 16th 2019 at 11:29:31 AM

Which will mean court judgments.

Which will mean appeals to higher courts.

Which will eventually mean appealing to the Supreme Court.

All according to keikaku. Awful, awful keikaku.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#280919: May 16th 2019 at 11:30:07 AM

I was assuming they were a branch of the main group, but now I wonder if I misphrased.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 16th 2019 at 1:04:32 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#280920: May 16th 2019 at 11:55:29 AM

All according to keikaku. Awful, awful keikaku.

You're more right then you know, but not for the reason you think.

Vox has an excellent on the subject, Alabama Republicans want to overturn Roe v. Wade. Their strategy could backfire.

To summarize, there's a reason anti-abortion figures are opposing this. The public is almost entirely in favor of allowing abortion in the case of rape and incest, something that the bill explicitly does not permit. Furthermore, legislators behind it have said that they're doing this to get it to the Supreme Court, which is generally a counterproductive way to get the Court to pay attention to you.

Furthermore, on abortion, the Robert's Court has demonstrated a tepid position where they don't want to be seen taking a position on it.

So it's an awful plan not just because of the cruelty but also because it's unlikely to be efficacious.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 16th 2019 at 11:56:44 AM

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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#280921: May 16th 2019 at 12:03:44 PM

Isn't it being ineffective a good thing.

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#280922: May 16th 2019 at 12:05:05 PM

Isn't it being ineffective a good thing.

That's exactly my point, it's awful for them and that's great.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#280923: May 16th 2019 at 12:15:58 PM

Cross posting from the Canadian politics thread; Trump pardoned media baron (and literal former Lord, via the UK) Conrad Black, who was convicted of fraud and obstruction back in 2007. Black has wrote a lot of glowing pro-Trump op-eds, and a whole book praising him last year.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/conrad-black-pardon-trump-1.5137985

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#280924: May 16th 2019 at 12:19:37 PM

Which was probably the price tag

Imca (Veteran)
#280925: May 16th 2019 at 12:42:37 PM

Thats not really a good comparison since a plurality of people don’t have a opinion on her since she is a Senator who only occasionally gets coverage

This us actualy untrue, only 15% of the population dont have an oppinion on her, she is currently one of the most well known politicians there is.... dispite the rather insignificance of her possition.

As you said yourself, the media mever quits talkong about her.


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