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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280876: May 16th 2019 at 6:12:33 AM

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-administration-bailout-farmers-brazilian-criminals-20190516-6rdb3ithvfec7fttem7qrny54y-story.html

In other news, Trump gave 60 million dollars of bailout money to Brazilian meat producers. The money being set aside for American farmers.

Note: I actually don't hate this one because it's part of a larger effort to build ties with groups other than Bejing. It's horrible optics but reducing our dependency on China is a good thing.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#280877: May 16th 2019 at 6:42:08 AM

So, I just heard that Alabama pretty much banned abortion? Is this even enforceable? Doesn't this contradict Roe v. Wade?

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#280878: May 16th 2019 at 6:44:34 AM

Duh. The whole point of the law is that they think the Supreme Court will strike down Roe v. Wade.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#280879: May 16th 2019 at 6:45:15 AM

On the laat page, what significance does being born "in wedlock" even have, legally?

It's a dickbmove either but does it actually hurt anything or is just meaningless pettiness?

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#280880: May 16th 2019 at 6:45:30 AM

Yeah, they're doing it so that it gets challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court, hoping that this fairly conservative Supreme Court will overturn Roe vs Wade.

It's not a coincidence that several states are introducing anti-abortion laws in quick succession. They've been aiming to overturn Roe vs Wade for almost fifty years. And they think they have a chance with this Supreme Court.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#280881: May 16th 2019 at 6:50:25 AM

Do you think this could really happen, though?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#280882: May 16th 2019 at 6:51:54 AM

“'If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

i certainly hope all energy they put into destroying Roe vs Wade results in something even harder taking it's place,its like with the Affordable Care Act,they keep trying to destroy it but it's still standing

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#280883: May 16th 2019 at 6:54:05 AM

On the laat page, what significance does being born "in wedlock" even have, legally?
I wondered this myself, actually. I've always regarded "born in wedlock" more of a religious thing than secular.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280884: May 16th 2019 at 7:00:47 AM

Republicans strangely seem to think religious marriage has nothing to do with citizenship marriage. Because they've been so hardline anti-gay marriage and that has nothing to do with religion.

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#280885: May 16th 2019 at 7:05:48 AM

[up][up][up][up] Republican-appointed justices currently outnumber democrat-appointed justices in the Supreme court 5-4, however some of them have been evasive regarding whether they would overturn Roe v. Wade if the issue came up. We won't know whether they'll uphold precedent (uphold Roe v Wade) or go full textualist (constitution is silent on abortion, overturning Roe v. Wade is constitutional) until it actually happens.

Edited by GoldenKaos on May 16th 2019 at 3:10:07 PM

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#280886: May 16th 2019 at 7:18:42 AM

As I recall, Roe v. Wade was decided on the basis of the right to privacy: specifically that the government cannot dictate what a person is allowed to do with their own body so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. Under this reasoning, a law forbidding masturbation, or nail clipping, would similarly be unconstitutional, unless these acts could be shown to do harm.

The key legal argument against abortion rights is that the mother's right to decide what to do with her body ends when it infringes on the right of the fetus to live. In other words, once you get pregnant, you may be commanded by law to bear the child regardless of your own desires.

Thus, the question before the courts is whether the fetus' right to be born is more important than the mother's right to control her body. Roe v. Wade found in favor of the latter, and that is precedent, but SCOTUS could overturn it.

Of course, the real rationale for the anti-abortion movement is control over women (i.e. misogyny), who have independent thoughts and won't always vote Republican like their men tell them to, but you won't see that come up in court. It became a cause celebre of movement conservatism in the mid to late 20th century as a way of consolidating evangelicals under the GOP umbrella.

Edited by Fighteer on May 16th 2019 at 10:22:24 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#280887: May 16th 2019 at 7:21:41 AM

> a law forbidding masturbation

( meanwhile in another timeline)

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#280888: May 16th 2019 at 7:23:06 AM

If I remember correctly isn't trump trying to make it to where children born of wedlock don't have citizenship so that he could count the children of LGBT couples among them?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280889: May 16th 2019 at 7:34:18 AM

Its actually not precisely a law against LGBT.

Its actually meant as a law to make it harder for citizenship birth.

He's trying to get birth citizenship overturned.

Mind you, it's not like he has to pick and choose "benefits."

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#280890: May 16th 2019 at 7:36:58 AM

If I remember correctly isn't trump trying to make it to where children born of wedlock don't have citizenship so that he could count the children of LGBT couples among them?

Trump just wants to cut down on non-white citizenship as much as possible. The whole focus on wedlock and narrow reading thereof are tools primarily to that end. Though I don't doubt that some in the administration are enjoying hurting LGBT people

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#280891: May 16th 2019 at 8:22:09 AM

Trump's tariffs are beginning to raise prices at major retailers.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/business/walmart-earnings-stock-tariffs-trump-china/index.html

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#280892: May 16th 2019 at 8:37:15 AM

You know how there's this thing in which the media/public generally talk about Presidents in neutral to positive terms, regardless of their actual policies (with a few notable exceptions like Andrew Jackson and Nixon), probably because to bad mouth a President after he's out of office is "poor-taste" or whatever? I'm honestly curious if that's going to be the case after Trump leaves office.

Edited by LSBK on May 16th 2019 at 10:38:07 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#280893: May 16th 2019 at 8:39:42 AM

[up][up][up] Part of me hopes that the democrats it office would be able to stall these till the next election but given how quickly things have gone for trump I doubt it.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#280894: May 16th 2019 at 8:43:38 AM

[up][up]I sure as fuck hope not.

Treating Trump with any amount of respect should be a nation-wide indicator of terrible people.

Edited by Eschaton on May 16th 2019 at 8:44:51 AM

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#280895: May 16th 2019 at 8:44:39 AM

Just to be clear: everyone here who is a registered voter in the USA is willing to vote for Biden in the general if he wins the primaries, right?

I was confident that no one here would stay home as a protest if Biden became the candidate, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Oh, without question. I'm mad as hell at House Dems right now and I do not like Biden or Sanders, but that's a matter for the primaries. There's no excuse for failing to vote (barring legitimate instances of voter suppression).

And the Republicans would have to cut out a lot of naked evil to even be worth consideration. My beef with House Dems right now is insufficient resistance to Republican authoritarianism; voting red would be cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 16th 2019 at 9:46:33 AM

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#280896: May 16th 2019 at 8:46:51 AM

Even if they are suppressing your vote, you still need to vote. Modern American methods tend to be making it harder to vote rather then changing the vote numbers directly.

Edited by Soban on May 16th 2019 at 11:48:38 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#280897: May 16th 2019 at 8:47:46 AM

If I was an American citizen, I'd vote straight Dem no matter who was on the ballot.

Some of them might result in a shower and hard liquor afterwards mind you...

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#280898: May 16th 2019 at 9:16:13 AM

The problem now comes to convincing all the leftist bothsiders who refuse to vote because they don't want to have to choose between the lesser of two evils where the Democrat nominee isn't sufficiently left enough.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280899: May 16th 2019 at 9:17:46 AM

[up]If they weren't convinced by the years under Trump and the GOP, I don't know what will.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#280900: May 16th 2019 at 9:21:19 AM

Who are these mythical leftists?


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