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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280676: May 14th 2019 at 8:35:43 PM

Vermont is the whitest state in the union and a place all the crazy militia types move. -Kentucky stereotype

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#280677: May 14th 2019 at 8:37:08 PM

To be fair, I think Vermont is the second whitest. Maine wins out there, and it's where Le Page was elected governor. Twice.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#280678: May 14th 2019 at 8:40:36 PM

Weirdly, despite the stereotype, Vermont tends to skew far more liberal. It’s a funky Sanders-type liberalism though.

Edited by archonspeaks on May 14th 2019 at 8:41:40 AM

They should have sent a poet.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280679: May 14th 2019 at 8:42:29 PM

Given how long he's been a Senator there, I'm not sure if he's the cause of or a product of that.

Edited by M84 on May 14th 2019 at 11:42:45 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280680: May 14th 2019 at 8:45:51 PM

Little of column A, little of column b.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#280681: May 14th 2019 at 8:46:55 PM

I’d go with the latter. Vermont has always had a strong “hippie” culture, way before Sanders took office there.

They should have sent a poet.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#280682: May 14th 2019 at 8:58:51 PM

I'm seeing a lot of tumbleweeds blowing past.
That's like saying that tumbleweeds blowing past you while in a Wild West-era desert is abnormal.

Or, to put it in another way... That's how the legal way to do this thing is: You don't see anything obvious on the surface because it's all happening in quiet offices in the form of a LONG trail of boring paperwork. You don't like that? Too bad, because reality doesn't care about your feelings (or mine, for that matter).

Edited by MarqFJA on May 14th 2019 at 6:59:59 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#280683: May 14th 2019 at 9:07:37 PM

Wait, Alabama's female governor is expected to sign the total abortion ban?

...Is there a female equivalent to the term Uncle Tom?

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280684: May 14th 2019 at 9:15:07 PM

Plenty of women hate abortion too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280685: May 14th 2019 at 9:16:34 PM

A thing to note that when and if a rich GOP woman needs an abortion for their daughter, themselves, or whatnot, they will have no difficulty justifying it or paying for it.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280686: May 14th 2019 at 9:17:31 PM

"The only moral abortion is my abortion."

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#280687: May 14th 2019 at 9:19:01 PM

I think data shows (though don't quote me on this) that women are actually more likely to be anti-abortion than men are. Make of that what you will.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280688: May 14th 2019 at 9:21:21 PM

According to this Gallup poll from last year, they hold similar views on it, though women favor abortion rights more.

Men, Women Generally Hold Similar Abortion Attitudes

26% of men favor legal abortion under all circumstances, while 31% of women favor legal abortion under all circumstances.

The story highlights:

  • 19% of both men and women say abortion should be totally illegal
  • 31% of women and 26% of men want abortion to be totally legal
  • 42% of female college graduates want abortion to be totally legal

Edited by M84 on May 15th 2019 at 12:22:44 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#280689: May 14th 2019 at 9:25:39 PM

"TBH, I'm surprised California isn't on either list."

We do have a really high migration rate, but it's offset by the slightly lower immigration rate.

Factor in native birthrate, and we still have a rising population, albeit at a slowing rate than before.

Suck it, New York.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#280690: May 14th 2019 at 10:42:07 PM

Anti-Abortion females are not at all uncommon, and in fact I'd even say that women can be pretty devoted to the cause. My sister, for example, is pretty staunchly anti-abortion.

I'd probably say it's more accurate to say that women feel stronger on abortion than men than that they explicitly tend to like or dislike it.

Leviticus 19:34
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280691: May 14th 2019 at 10:46:07 PM

It is something that is rather more relevant to them, for obvious reasons.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280692: May 14th 2019 at 10:49:41 PM

Some women view it as central to their ethos and the basis of feminism. Other women view it as a Necessary Evil at best.

Mind you, others note it wasn't a major political issue until fairly recently.

It became one, IMHO, as a distraction from other issues.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 14th 2019 at 10:50:20 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#280693: May 14th 2019 at 11:35:57 PM

And for some, an issue worth electing Trump over.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#280694: May 15th 2019 at 12:40:58 AM

There is a thing like internalized sexism. After all woman grow up under the same influences men do. And a lot of women sadly get their sense of worth out of being "better" than other women. "Better" means in this case better in fulfilling the expectations a male dominated society puts on them.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280695: May 15th 2019 at 1:05:32 AM

To be frank, even if you disagree with them and consider it a fundamental right, that is a reductive way of looking at them.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#280696: May 15th 2019 at 1:09:22 AM

I am minded to agree with this sentiment.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#280697: May 15th 2019 at 1:11:12 AM

Exactly how much can we talk about abortion before it crosses a line? I thought it was a banned topic, or is that only in certain circumstances?

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#280698: May 15th 2019 at 1:18:53 AM

It becomes a problem whenever politicians broach the subject so drastically. Abortion is a political matter when people try to ban it.

If it were up to me, anyone who votes for (or fails to veto) an anti-abortion law, any politician campaigning on an anti-abortion platform, and anyone who votes for them, would be actionable for child support. At least.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280699: May 15th 2019 at 1:29:08 AM

I'm suddenly reminded of that one anti-abortion GOP asshole from PA (I think) who tried to make his mistress get an abortion.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#280700: May 15th 2019 at 1:53:22 AM

Well, I have little understanding for people who are are against abortion UNLESS they also engage themselves in help for young single mothers...since the same people who are against abortion tend to love the word "wellfare queen" while pushing for sex education which boils down to "don't do it" instead of explaining teens how to protect themselves from potentially deadly diseases, I have little understanding for people who are against abortion period.


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