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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
They show their nature every single day. There's mountains of evidence already.
When the enemy is digging under you, you don't let yourself get undermined. You go find them where they are, in the tunnels.
Like I said, Morton's Fork.
So that it can be the headline.
Instead of "Nancy Pelosi says Dems might impeach Trump at some point in the future maybe," the headline should be "Nancy Pelosi says Trump cannot be impeached, and that it's all because of Mitch McConnell."
Followed by "William Barr and Steve Mnuchin arrested for Contempt of Congress."
Which would then be followed by "Trump tax returns surrendered to Congress by New Acting Treasury Director who, after seeing what happened to Mnuchin, realizes that Congress f*cking means business."
Y'know. Owning up to the shit that can't be done and keeping the national conversation centered on the exact reason those things can't be done, while also f*cking doing things that can be done and that make splashy headlines.
Edited by TobiasDrake on May 14th 2019 at 6:43:42 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.While I find myself more on the side of "Impeachment just for symbolic statement isn't worth it" I do think it should be made clear it's less "Trump hasn't done anything worth impeaching" and more "Republicans, and Mitch Mc Connell, specifically, won't allow it regardless anything that Trump's actual done or is guilty of".
Edited by LSBK on May 14th 2019 at 7:47:50 AM
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So what are you really proposing here? That the Democrats get just as dirty as the Republicans?
I suppose that means we should start engaging in widespread voter fraud, fully embrace populism, and broadcast as much propaganda as possible on all of our news networks. There’s no way that could possibly backfire on us.
Edited by archonspeaks on May 14th 2019 at 5:45:26 AM
They should have sent a poet.It is staggeringly optimistic to think that even with such a headline, the public won't find a way to blame Dems anyway. I seem to remember multiple posts claiming that Democrats were simply making excuses.
Followed by "Democrats may have acted too quickly/overplayed their hand/etc." if everything surrounding the arrest isn't 120% airtight.
Isn't that a position Trump would get to pick who to fill? Meaning he could just pick some Trump lapdog who does whatever he tells them regardless of if it's in his best interests or not?
This is the problem with these arguments. You're all baselessly assuming the best case scenario.
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We basically already are. The difference is that Republicans are playing dirty in a way that gets results. Democrats are just spinning their wheels.
At this point, that is where we're at. There is something that can be done right now. There is an action that can be taken. It's already half-finished. The House Judiciary Committee voted to hold William Barr in contempt. It moved to the floor of the House for a vote. Nancy Pelosi won't bring it to vote, leaving it to die on the same spot on her desk that so many bills die on Mitch's.
They can vote on contempt tomorrow. They can have William Barr in handcuffs by end of the day.
But Pelosi refuses. She insists on waiting, on stalling, on buying time. All while lying to the American public by pretending that impeachment is an option when it's not.
House Democrats aren't resisting Trump. They're just playing the optics of resistance. There's no sincerity in their effort to provide a check and balance against our corrupt Executive administration. It's just politics.
Edited by TobiasDrake on May 14th 2019 at 6:54:47 AM
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Exactly, you should hope for the best case, but prep for the worst case.
Also, minor nitpick to this post
, but my quoted line of "The Right certainly thinks so" was nothing more than a half-joking response to the other part of the post quoted above it " So, what, two wrongs make a right?"
Edited by sgamer82 on May 14th 2019 at 6:56:03 AM
Do you honestly think that the number of people willing to go to jail for Trump is literally infinite? That no Trump appointee would ever put their own self-interest above Trump once they realize that Congress will literally send them to jail?
Because we've seen an awful lot of people turncoat once actual jailtime was on the line. The only reason Mnuchin and Barr are so bold right now is because they think that Congress is full of spineless cowards who won't dare act against them. They think they're untouchable.
I guarantee you, you'd see a dramatic shift in attitudes once people started being arrested. Trump is a bully, leading a pack of bullies. Speaking as a former bully, you don't beat a bully by ignoring him and waiting for him to go away. And appealing to an authority figure is not an option, because House Dems are the authority figure and they're the ones being bullied.
Dems need to deliver a broken nose to one or two of Trump's boys. They need to hit Trump's cronies hard enough that the other cronies go, "WHOA SHIT, I don't want to be THAT guy," when the House turns its eye on them. They need to make the Trump Cabinet feel vulnerable again.
Reassert that the rule of law has actual teeth and you'll see an upswing in the number of people agreeing to obey it.
Edited by TobiasDrake on May 14th 2019 at 7:03:27 AM
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Which would be followed by "Secret Service Frees Unjustly Jailed Cabinet Who Followed Legal Executive Guidelines."
There's a reason all these subpoenas are going through the courts. Congress says the laws say one thing, the Executive Branch says they mean another, which means the Judiciary has to mediate. That headline can't happen if Trump and his cronies don't have a legal leg to stand on, which is why the House isn't rushing things.
In some of these instances, the subpoenas weren't even necessary. They could have just gone straight to the courts to start proceedings to force Trump officials without it. They decided to issue them anyway on advice of House lawyers because it makes their legal stance stronger, to prove they exhausted every means to normal compliance before resorting to legislative punitive actions.
So under no circumstances are Democrats going after corrupt and crooked evil doers better than not doing so.
Because some hypothetical idiots prefer crooked Democrats to law abiding ones.
And the Republican propaganda machine will say mean things about them? Which they're already doing.
I remind you Trump wants both Mueller and Biden investigated (and hopefully arrested).
Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 14th 2019 at 6:21:19 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Firstly, they are going after corrupt and crooked evil doers; unlike Trump and his Republicans, Democrats are doing it the legal way.
Secondly, no one here should care about what Trumpeteers and Teapublicans think, but we all need to care about what Moderates think, because we need the Moderates on our side and not on their side. Doing things the legal way like this is what's keeping Moderates on our side and away from Trump's side. If Democrats start abusing their power, it's going to turn off Moderates.
And third, Trump going after either men is going to plummet his approval with Moderates, and his approval is already abysmal with them.
Do you honestly think that the well has run dry on people who not only stan for Trump, but will suicidally bend over backwards for him if given the chance to do so?
Trump doesn't hire people based on how pragmatic they are. He hires people who he believes are ready to die for him, probably literally. There aren't "lItEraLlY iNfInItE" people like Barr and Scaramucci, but there are fucking enough of them.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 14th 2019 at 9:56:21 AM
i'm tired, my friendOn to something different: Top 10 states people are leaving, and top 10 people are moving into.
Even though Vermont is the state with the most people moving to it, the description of it in the article is none too flattering, low unemployment rate aside. Though at least they mentioned the most important thing from Vermont: maple syrup.
TBH, I'm surprised California isn't on either list.
Edited by M84 on May 14th 2019 at 11:05:45 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedAlabama's Senate has passed the total abortion ban. Still hasn't been signed by the governor, but she is still expected to do so.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

Edited by thok on May 14th 2019 at 5:37:07 AM