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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
To reveal the truth to the American people.
And the idea that we won't push back against obstruction is frankly a lie, the fines exist. It's objectively false to say that we aren't pushing back against Obstruction. Even if they are inadequate that does not mean that they do not exist.
And it has not been proven that they are.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangBiggest problem with impeachment is that even with Trump gone you still have a Republican Government ruling,another guy would would step to be President,in this case Pence
Electing him out of office means going the long way around but it's worth the journey,you can play the impeachment card if Trump wins the election because frankly it;s the only one you've got left at that point
Edited by Ultimatum on May 14th 2019 at 10:35:01 AM
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverExcept no fines have been levied yet.
It was suggested as an alternative and now they're backing from that.
Electing him out of office means going the long way around but it's worth the journey,you can play the impeachment card if Trump wins the election because frankly it;s the only one you've got left at that point
It's not about "winning" it's about the law. Pence being President isn't the point. It's holding the President accountable.
I think there's a weird disconnect between people outraged about the illegality and those who think it's just about a popularity contest.
No, it's about holding up the law.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 14th 2019 at 3:45:46 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I also like to point out that an opposing political party attempting to impeach a President is considered political suicide, which is why Nancy Pelosi is being pragmatic when it comes to impeaching Donald Trump, since Donald Trump would use the impeachment attempt as an opportunity to strengthen his base, gain more popularity, and increase his chances of getting re-elected while potentially destroying the Democratic Party (also doesn't help to note that the Republicans are staunchly loyal to Donald Trump and his authoritarian policies while Republicans still hold control on the Senate, making impeachment nearly impossible).
https://apnews.com/a2af9039533b42bba0e4e04af11ecd67
Russians proven to have hacked some voting machines.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Impeachments aren’t about the law, though, they’re about politics. The law would be prosecuting Trump for various crimes after he left office, impeachment is a political act. It assigns no charges and doesn’t hinge on guilt or innocence.
I’m also sensing that most of the complaints center around the fact that the Democrats aren’t moving quick enough. Bringing legal punishments to bear against a sitting attorney general isn’t like writing a ticket, we shouldn’t expect it to happen overnight.
Edited by archonspeaks on May 14th 2019 at 4:00:35 AM
They should have sent a poet.
So your assumption is most Americans are stupid.
Its the job of politicians to explain why they do it but not to bow to mob rule either.
If you don't treat crimes like crimes then the public will not see them as crimes.
The government's legitimacy cannot be thrown away to play political games and everyone who would deserves to be locked up with Trump, Republican or Democrat. No one is above the law.
Not impeaching, not arresting is a political act. It shows Democrats cannot be trusted to fulfill their oaths of office and should be replaced. Their opinions do not matter, it is not a party game. They are obstructing justice by not carrying out their duties.
I can't imagine myself voting for people like this. It is worse than Trump and I hope America's democrats let them know.
America has a right to be outraged at their behavior.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 14th 2019 at 4:03:03 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Not stupid, but it’s very safe to say a large portion of Americans are uniformed when it comes to politics.
And the idea that the democrats are obstructing justice by not moving fast enough is just silly, by the way.
I’ll also point out, again, that impeachment has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Congress has no legal obligation to impeach a guilty president.
Edited by archonspeaks on May 14th 2019 at 4:04:36 AM
They should have sent a poet.Fast enough is ridiculous because they're not moving. They started saying they were going to arrest Barr then they said they might do a fine, and then they're saying just a condemnation.
What, in your opinion, is the proper response if they're not going to do ANYTHING other than wait it out to the election?
That's your defense, really?
Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 14th 2019 at 4:07:53 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I think there's a weird disconnect between people outraged about the illegality and those who think it's just about a popularity contest.
No, it's about holding up the law.
That 'popularity contest' is the difference between two more years of Trump or a Democratic President alongside a potential Democratic Congress.
It is incredibly irresponsible to downplay the significance of that, winning absolutely matters.
It was suggested as an alternative and now they're backing from that.
What evidence do you have that they're backing away from it?
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 14th 2019 at 4:15:56 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangBecause:
1. They are not doing it 2. They have made public statements about alternate punishments than arrest OR fines.
I'm just asking, what happens if they back down.
And keep backing down.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 14th 2019 at 4:17:17 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.That’s not a defense, that’s the reality of impeachment. You can go back and forth about how Democrats are obstructing justice this or not doing their duty that, but the reality is impeachment has nothing to do with legal justice. Impeachment is a legislative check on the executive, not a criminal proceeding.
And yeah, that’s weak as hell. You’re basically saying “they haven’t done anything yet, so they’ll never do anything.”
Edited by archonspeaks on May 14th 2019 at 4:31:05 AM
They should have sent a poet.Except for impeachable offenses including Obstruction.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.It's why I'm so angry as it's not impeachment will not happen, I accept that. It's all the other stuff.
I would still file impeachment process and spend the entire time investigating and revealing to the public the depths of his crimes.
But even if that can't happen—the other criminals need to be arrested now.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 14th 2019 at 4:35:44 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I think what we're seeing here is one of, if not the biggest problem with the situation Dems have found themselves in. People want them to do things NOWNOWNOW, regardless of whether or not they actually can, or if it has a chance of backfiring on them sooner or later.
This isn't the first time I've likened it to a Morton's Fork.
i'm tired, my friend

Let me ask you this: If we won't impeach anyone, won't arrest anyone, and won't even push back against obstruction, then what is even the point of the investigation?
What are we trying to accomplish here?
Edited by TobiasDrake on May 14th 2019 at 4:24:31 AM
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