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#280151: May 9th 2019 at 2:28:15 PM

The House hasn't voted to hold him in contempt yet, just the Judiciary Committee. That's next on the to do list though.

It's not on the docket yet, actually. Pelosi's sitting on it.

The contempt vote will happen "when [the House] is ready". No ETA.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 9th 2019 at 3:28:38 AM

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#280152: May 9th 2019 at 2:34:12 PM

"When we're ready, we'll come to the floor. We'll see because there might be some other contempt of Congress issues that we want to deal with at the same time."

Is she keeping an Arya style hit list?

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#280153: May 9th 2019 at 2:40:11 PM

[up][up]Presumably because doing something that hasn't be done in a century isn't something that you rush into.

It's better to be careful and avoid effective accusations of partisan bias.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 9th 2019 at 2:40:33 AM

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#280154: May 9th 2019 at 2:50:42 PM

It's better to be careful and avoid effective accusations of partisan bias.

Isn't that Too Dumb to Live?

The Republicans are biased partisans so it's not like they won't make the accusation anyway.

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#280155: May 9th 2019 at 2:51:48 PM

The worry isn’t that Fox will call then partisan, it’s that CNN will.

If it’s being held it better be because they plan to arrest Barr after holding him in contempt, I will be very disappointed if this goes the way of Holder being held in contempt and just results in a telling off.

Edited by Silasw on May 9th 2019 at 9:53:05 AM

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#280156: May 9th 2019 at 2:55:45 PM

Isn't that Too Dumb to Live?

The Republicans are biased partisans so it's not like they won't make the accusation anyway.

I said effective, Republicans will call it partisan regardless but we don't have to make it easy for them. And if we don't then the public will be less likely to see it as a partisan issue and thus it will be more efficacious.

The worry isn’t that Fox will call then partisan, it’s that CNN will.

If it’s being held it better be because they plan to arrest Barr after holding him in contempt, I will be very disappointed if this goes the way of Holder being held in contempt and just results in a telling off.

Exactly this [tup]

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 9th 2019 at 2:56:13 AM

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#280157: May 9th 2019 at 3:26:55 PM

No points for guessing what Barr's decision will be, because fuck me Trump just doesn't give two shits about checks & balances, nor do the people he hires.
I thought we already knew long ago, thanks to a handy White House leak, that Trump's reaction to learning that there are in fact extensive checks and balances on presidential authority was utter outrage, and his behavior since then gave no illusions about how many shits he gave about them (i.e. negative shits).

Edited by MarqFJA on May 9th 2019 at 1:27:39 PM

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#280158: May 9th 2019 at 3:31:39 PM

I don't think we needed leaks to find out Trump's opinion on his office not being an all-powerful position. I'd say more of a surprise would be that he only learned that while in office, but given it's Trump we're talking about, it really isn't...

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#280159: May 9th 2019 at 3:31:53 PM

I thought we already knew long ago, thanks to a handy White House leak, that Trump's reaction to learning that there are in fact extensive checks and balances on presidential authority was utter outrage, and his behavior since then gave no illusions about how many shits he gave about them (i.e. negative shits).

Quite, the only saving grace to Trump's blatant authoritarianism is that he's too lazy, ignorant, and incompetent to actually implement it.

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#280160: May 9th 2019 at 3:36:15 PM

Anyone got a link to the leak?

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#280161: May 9th 2019 at 3:49:15 PM

> Quite, the only saving grace to Trump's blatant authoritarianism is that he's too lazy, ignorant, and incompetent to actually implement it.

That's the impression he's giving but it often falls on others to carry out his wishes,and they're likely to succeed in the implementing what he can't,that's what makes Trump's presidency the worst,as President he has supreme authority and there are people who will follow his whim no matter how diabolical because he's the President

What holds him back is that pesky thing called the constitution and those pesky men and women called congress

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#280162: May 9th 2019 at 3:56:44 PM

At the same time there are people close to him that ignore/disobey him. Literally the only reason he could be found not guilty of Obstruction of Justice is because nobody followed his orders to obstruct justice.

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#280163: May 9th 2019 at 4:00:09 PM

That's the impression he's giving but it often falls on others to carry out his wishes,and they're likely to succeed in the implementing what he can't,that's what makes Trump's presidency the worst,as President he has supreme authority and there are people who will follow his whim no matter how diabolical because he's the President

What holds him back is that pesky thing called the constitution and those pesky men and women called congress

Uh no, this is absolutely false. His administration has been a complete dumpster fire of incompetence, infighting, and cronyism. The people who are responsible for carrying out Trump's wishes have failed many times because they're either incompetent or his wishes have been impossible.

I am not saying that he is not dangerous, simply that we should not confuse the nature of his danger. He is a bull in a China shop who causes deep damage to our nation's people and institutions, but you need more than that to seize and maintain control.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 9th 2019 at 4:00:44 AM

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#280165: May 9th 2019 at 4:29:02 PM

> Uh no, this is absolutely false. His administration has been a complete dumpster fire of incompetence, infighting, and cronyism. The people who are responsible for carrying out Trump's wishes have failed many times because they're either incompetent or his wishes have been impossible.

Look, they may be worst government in existence but they'll probably achieve one thing that Trump demands,there's bound to be at least one success amidst all that failure

Edited by Ultimatum on May 9th 2019 at 11:29:16 AM

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#280166: May 9th 2019 at 4:30:48 PM

I admit, the only thing I love about Trump's administration was Mitch's Epic Fail in passing the repeal of ACA. All the cards and it still was a clusterfuck that humiliated him as well as his supporters.

Trump's complete disinterest in supporting him there warmed my heart in its level of casual betrayal.

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#280167: May 9th 2019 at 4:42:05 PM

Can someone explain to me how the repeal ended up failing? All I know is the obvious, but it sounds like a good story.

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#280168: May 9th 2019 at 4:46:35 PM

My understanding was Trump became a Spanner in the Works by promising not just repeal the ACA, but replace it with something better, which the Republicans were fundamentally incapable of doing while pleasing their base. Everything they came up with was judged to end to becoming not expensive than the current ACA while providing far less, prompting just enough Republicans to vote against it in the Senate.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 9th 2019 at 5:46:46 AM

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#280169: May 9th 2019 at 4:49:53 PM

Wikpedia has a good page on attempts repeal the affordable care act

The attempts have been numerous and their failures are many,unfortunately they won't stop trying,th. solution is to make it part of the constitutions so it's impossible to remove altogether.

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#280170: May 9th 2019 at 5:12:58 PM

Chelsea Manning has been released from custody.

...And she and her legal team have already been issued another subpoena, which makes me think I was correct in judging that she is being targeted. This is ridiculous.

Edited by AzurePaladin on May 9th 2019 at 8:13:17 AM

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#280171: May 9th 2019 at 5:24:12 PM

...And she and her legal team have already been issued another subpoena, which makes me think I was correct in judging that she is being targeted. This is ridiculous.

Yes? Of course, it's targeted, subpoenas aren't sent randomly.

That doesn't make it bad or illegitimate.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 9th 2019 at 5:25:46 AM

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#280172: May 9th 2019 at 5:42:18 PM

[up] You don't see anything wrong with re-isssuing a subpoena to someone the moment they're out of prison? Something they know will land her back in prison?

What could they want her for that they'd need to lock her up again the moment she leaves? It seems far more likely they're just trying to keep her in jail as long as possible.

Edited by AzurePaladin on May 9th 2019 at 8:42:27 AM

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#280173: May 9th 2019 at 5:44:36 PM

Maybe they want her to stop pulling a Trump and actually respect the dam rule of law?

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#280174: May 9th 2019 at 5:45:37 PM

[up]Gonna have to explain that one Chief.

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#280175: May 9th 2019 at 5:48:51 PM

Manning has been held for contempt of court for refusing to answer a subpoena because she things she should be able to dictate the manner in which she answers a summons from a court.

What have we just been going over for the last few pages? The fact that Trump and Barr need to be held in contempt for refusing to answer a subpoena because they think they should be able to dictator the manner in which they answer it.

Nobody is above the law, not Trump, not Barr, not Manning.

Edited by Silasw on May 9th 2019 at 12:49:17 PM

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