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#280051: May 8th 2019 at 2:33:02 PM

Ami Horowitz, guy behind the alt-right documentaries "U,N, Me" and "Stockholm Syndrome," has announced a Democratic presidential run.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#280052: May 8th 2019 at 2:33:03 PM

Don Jr. has been subpoenaed by the House Intelligence Committee.

[up] That man is so contemptuous I'm not even going to insult Gabbard by comparing them.

Edited by Parable on May 8th 2019 at 2:35:21 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#280053: May 8th 2019 at 2:38:55 PM

> Don Jr. has been subpoenaed by the House Intelligence Committee.

donnie junior is going to blab,probably

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#280054: May 8th 2019 at 2:50:46 PM

Well, if someone like that can enter a Democrat race just to troll the results, maybe some non-interested liberals should make an attempt to run in the Republican race. At the very least, it'll annoy Trump.

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#280055: May 8th 2019 at 3:03:22 PM

Man if Don Jr gets held in contempt and then arrested...

I realy hope the House follows though with contempt, I don’t want symbolic holdings of contempt, I want the House to start packing cells until people turn rat or Donald is all alone.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#280056: May 8th 2019 at 3:07:32 PM

Then why not just ban Tobacco altogether?

Oh right. Lobbyists.

Also because we've tried that sort of thing before, it was called Prohibition and the War on Drugs. Neither of which went particularly well.

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#280057: May 8th 2019 at 3:14:10 PM

Yeah, because the parasites who were already on that stuff fought back hard. Unlike Prohibition or the War on Drugs, a war on Tobacco would be completely justified seeing as how there's countless mountains of proof that Tobacco kills, and not just the junkies. That, plus there would be less of a pretense like making up excuses to arrest people for easy labor. It's too bad that shit has been ingrained so much into society that the parasites will stop at nothing to hold onto it, plus attempt to make a profit off of it under such laws.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#280058: May 8th 2019 at 3:18:06 PM

Yeah, because the parasites who were already on that stuff fought back hard. Unlike Prohibition or the War on Drugs, a war on Tobacco would be completely justified seeing as how there's countless mountains of proof that Tobacco kills, and not just the junkies. That, plus there would be less of a pretense like making up excuses to arrest people for easy labor. It's too bad that shit has been ingrained so much into society that the parasites will stop at nothing to hold onto it, plus attempt to make a profit off of it under such laws.

Uh no, alcohol kills.

(Many) recreational drugs kill.

The reason those attempts failed was not that their targets were less deserving then tobacco, it was because criminalizing a recreational activity that's in demand doesn't eliminate the market. It just drives it underground. Comparatively less usage of alcohol did not outweigh the cost of encouraging organized crime, same with recreational drugs.

We can attack Tobacco usage the same way we can suppress alcoholism and drug use, as a public health issue. Prohibition doesn't work and wouldn't work for Tobacco.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 8th 2019 at 3:19:00 AM

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#280059: May 8th 2019 at 3:21:16 PM

Alas it's too late to consider what it would be if Tobacco never gained any ground in the first place. Because there would be always those willing to kill for it.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280060: May 8th 2019 at 3:26:43 PM

And again, bluntly, if it can be made limited to your body and people are aware of the risks then it's none of anyone's goddamn business.

There's a reason Judge Dredd makes fun of the War on Drugs by having the War on Sugar.

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Imca (Veteran)
#280061: May 8th 2019 at 3:29:46 PM

Also its not like Tobbaco isn't dieing in popularity any way, nor that its actualy pretty unpopular in the US compared to forigen markets.

The current attack vector IS working.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280062: May 8th 2019 at 3:31:26 PM

Tobacco, FYI, is more profitable than its ever been.

Its just Kentucky now makes its fortune via export to China and East Asia.

As you say, foreign markets, but that's because the tobacco lobby chooses not to bother fighting it in America anymore.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 8th 2019 at 3:31:54 AM

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#280063: May 8th 2019 at 3:32:41 PM

Ken Starr says the Mueller report was too detailed, a witchhunt, and a waste of time attacking the President.

https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/1126146803114676224/photo/1

I choose to believe he is actually a stealth comedian from the future now.

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#280064: May 8th 2019 at 3:49:42 PM

@Raining: Tobacco kills, so does alcohol and marijuana, but I enjoy having the freedom to consume them in a responsible way. If that seems like the mentality of a parasite, then you may be a bit out of touch with many people when it comes to soft drugs.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#280065: May 8th 2019 at 3:56:29 PM

Tobacco and alcohol are absolutely hard drugs. The reason we don't ban them is that we tried once with alcohol and it simply didn't work - people are going to get drunk whatever the hell we say. But we do (and should) regulate the hell out of them.

The reason the War on Drugs is going at all right now is because enforcement is ridiculously selective - arresting a college kid for marijuana or a Wall Street broker for cocaine is a shitstorm many cops don't want to deal with, but they want every black guy they can get in the prison system.

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#280066: May 8th 2019 at 4:02:35 PM

Inform me: Does the soothing effect of smoking come from Tobacco or Nicotine? Because if it's the latter, then advocating the preservation of the former should fuck itself.

Edited by RainingMetal on May 8th 2019 at 4:02:50 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280067: May 8th 2019 at 4:12:29 PM

People have smoked since the Aztecs.

Edit:

Another Fascinating Kentucky Fact: Healthier cigarettes can actually be made now and while nothing that isn't, "breating in smoke is bad" they can be made much much better. The problem is that part of the reason cigarettes can't be outright banned easily is due to Loophole Abuse. If they're made completely synthetic then they're much easier to ban due to the protections for tobacco and its organic qualities.

A lot of the problems in America is the fact the laws are just asinine compromises.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 8th 2019 at 4:14:22 AM

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#280068: May 8th 2019 at 4:15:45 PM

[up][up]I'm pretty sure it's the nicotine. Of course, like with all addictive drugs, it loses effectiveness with usage, and your body will start craving it to function normally. So eventually you start smoking three packs a day because if you don't, you get all stressed out.

I get the whole "let adults decide for themselves" angle, but we should definitely keep nicotine-products away from children.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#280069: May 8th 2019 at 4:16:37 PM

People might have smoked since time immortal but it's still a)unhealthy for the person doing it b) impacts the health of other people around them

Dunno why your suddenly arguing against this,it's a weird kill to die on

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Edited by Ultimatum on May 8th 2019 at 11:16:57 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280070: May 8th 2019 at 4:17:37 PM

Because I find the idea of being pro-marajauna, pro-legalizing (and regulating of drugs), but not pro-tobacco to be weird and hypocritical.

But YMMV.

I get the impression I'm slightly off kilter on a lot of issues.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 8th 2019 at 4:19:41 AM

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#280071: May 8th 2019 at 4:22:04 PM

Re-creative use of marijuana is not a good thing for many of the same reasons tobacco isn't, but the War on Drugs has been a painfully terrible way of dealing with it and must be stopped.

Edited by Kayeka on May 8th 2019 at 1:22:20 PM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#280072: May 8th 2019 at 4:25:19 PM

What evidence is there that marijauana is as deadly as hard drugs and alcohol?

Granted, I still don't think that people should drive while high, just like they shouldn't drive while on other substances.

Do not obey in advance.
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#280073: May 8th 2019 at 4:26:12 PM

Because Marijuana doesn't actively kill you. Marijuana just makes your brain careless and thus leads to potential accidents. Maybe overdoses too, I wouldn't know. But it doesn't fuck your lungs and other people through breathing. Also, I've seen the faces of heavy smokers. They could petrify Medusa.

If the War on Drugs was the War on Tobacco and people still used that as an excuse for prison labor, I'd be a bit more Republican.

Edited by RainingMetal on May 8th 2019 at 4:26:54 AM

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#280074: May 8th 2019 at 4:26:23 PM

marajauna is nowhere near as harmful regular smoking,it can become a bad habbit like most thing sure and you can 'get high' but it's not like your body develops a craving for something like nicotine

edit:> Maybe overdoses too

an entire truckload maybe but I've never heard of someone dying because they got too high

Edited by Ultimatum on May 8th 2019 at 11:27:26 AM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#280075: May 8th 2019 at 4:28:49 PM

With Marijuana, my understanding is that pound-for-pound it's actually quite a bit worse than Tobacco. However, it's much less addictive and a lot more powerful, meaning a stoner doesn't consume nearly as much as a Tobacco Smoker.

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