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PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
Eats moldy bread and flies into windows
#280026: May 8th 2019 at 12:25:40 PM

Re: proposed vaping ban to drive teenagers to 'proper' cigarettes: You know, if this wasn't 2019, I'd think that was some sort of evil plot thought up by a Captain Planet villain. The times we live in, huh? :V

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#280027: May 8th 2019 at 12:27:05 PM

[up]They crossed "Captain Planet villain" levels a while ago.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#280028: May 8th 2019 at 12:31:49 PM

To be fair, stopping teenagers from vaping is probably a decent idea. That stuff is quite addictive in its own right, and there's some data that suggests that it serves as a gateway towards "actual" smoking.

RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#280029: May 8th 2019 at 12:40:58 PM

Then why not just ban Tobacco altogether?

Oh right. Lobbyists.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280030: May 8th 2019 at 12:48:28 PM

[up]Because people should be allowed to enjoy substances that feel good if it's their choice?

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#280031: May 8th 2019 at 12:50:22 PM

other people who devlop cancer due to smoke say 'what the hell are you smoking?'

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280032: May 8th 2019 at 12:52:25 PM

[up][up]By that logic we shouldn't be doing anything about the opioid epidemic.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#280033: May 8th 2019 at 12:54:26 PM

except they don't enjoy,they do it to manage the pain but get hooked on a highly addictive substance,some of them anyway

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#280034: May 8th 2019 at 12:55:54 PM

I imagine the difference with tobacco and alcohol is that people are much more likely to actually partake, and thus go "hey, this is a thing I like being taken away!"

A comparatively small number of people are ever going to do meth or crack, or whatever. Though this could just be me talking nonsense.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#280035: May 8th 2019 at 12:57:04 PM

[up][up]They do it to stop feeling bad and get hooked due to the addictive qualities (which were downplayed by the ones selling it).

It's not too different from smokers who start doing it to feel good only to get hooked due to the addictive qualities.

Okay, one huge difference is that no doctor would prescribe smoking.

[up]It helps that tobacco and alcohol are already rather regulated in terms of who they can be sold to, the warning labels, etc. Though you can bet that the industries didn't allow those regulations to go through without a fight.

Edited by M84 on May 8th 2019 at 4:00:02 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#280036: May 8th 2019 at 12:58:22 PM

Fuck 'em. Let them suffer and learn their lesson the hard way.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#280037: May 8th 2019 at 1:07:57 PM

As someone who is pretty strongly against vice laws of any kind, I do loathe cigars and cigarettes because of what they do to the people around the smoker. If YOU want to fill your lungs with black tar, that's your decision. But MY lungs are full of black tar because of choices made by people around me growing up and that's not cool.

There is a serious possibility that I might die of lung cancer having never smoked a cigarette in my life. That is a problem.

I'm in favor of decriminalization for a lot of recreational substances and activities, but I want smoking banned. If you are smoking in my vicinity, that is an attack against my life. You wouldn't let someone walk around a room injecting meth or whatever into everybody against their will, would you?

Vaping eliminates second-hand smoke as a concern, so I'm fine with that. So long as people around you are not being forced to consume your deadly substance, you do you.

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RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#280039: May 8th 2019 at 1:16:33 PM

Over a billion people smoke. Statistically speaking, some of the higher-ups probably do.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280040: May 8th 2019 at 1:20:58 PM

Notably, the issue of secondhand smoke is precisely why vaping and other alternatives exist.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#280041: May 8th 2019 at 1:22:52 PM

I for one much prefer vape smoke over cigarette smoke because at least with vape smoke they aren't taking me with them.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 8th 2019 at 4:23:12 AM

i'm tired, my friend
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#280042: May 8th 2019 at 1:24:49 PM

On an up-shot, the NY Senate passed the TRUST Act 39-21, allowing the appropriate (Federal) House and Senate committees to request access from NY State itself for an individual's tax returns if the Federal Treasury department declines to. They would, naturally, apply solely to NY State returns filed, so it'd only be part of the picture, but it's a not-insignificant part.

Edited by ironballs16 on May 8th 2019 at 4:26:58 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280043: May 8th 2019 at 1:33:20 PM

I'm overall pleased with this twist in the Mueller Report because it is a serious undermining of the, "No Collusion!" and "nothing to be afraid of!" Narrative that they were peddling. Also, there's the chance for Barr to serve jail time and yet another example that Trump does not reward loyalty.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#280044: May 8th 2019 at 1:46:21 PM

House panel accuses Barr of contempt as Trump invokes executive privilege

https://reut.rs/2vMS7o8

Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#280045: May 8th 2019 at 1:49:03 PM

Huzzah! Since this wasn’t a decision that gives more taxpayer money to the rich I have to assume that everyone was drunk when it came time to vote, but I’ll take it.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#280046: May 8th 2019 at 1:54:54 PM

Good. Since Trump's trying to executive privilege this away this is about as far as we're going to go for a while, but hopefully the courts will expedite a ruling on this.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280047: May 8th 2019 at 2:02:33 PM

The big advantage of this is Running out the Clock.

Trump can do less damage the more he's drowning in defending himself.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#280048: May 8th 2019 at 2:20:29 PM

Just in case you think Republicans can't get any worse:

(Reposted from RPG.net by Bane Sidhe)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/us/navy-seals-crimes-of-war.html

Let me give you an example of the sort of people we're talking about here.

There's a Navy Seal CPO named Eddie Gallagher who's currently facing a Court Martial for a bevy of charges, after a dozen+ men under his command risked an institutional wall-of-silence to report him for such acts as

-Stabbing a wounded, unarmed, 15-year-old detainee to death to death with a knife, then posting pictures of himself standing over the corpse on the internet and bragging about it.

-Shooting multiple unarmed old men, women, and children from a sniper position, none of whom posed any apparent or possible threat.

-Commandeering a light vehicle and randomly spraying a neighborhood in Mosul with .50 caliber machine-gun fire and rockets apparently simply because he could.

He's up for premeditated murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and several other charges.

40 Congressional Republicans have already, despite overwhelming evidence, signed a petition calling for his release. They have drummed up over 300,000 dollars to support him. Trump has already stepped in to have him moved to 'less restrictive confinement' (meaning that instead of being in prison while awaiting trial, he's confined to a Naval medical center), and has already made noise about pardoning Gallagher if he's convicted.

It's been said before, it needs to be said again as many times as it takes to sink in.

The Cruelty Is the Point.

Somebody who is, by all accounts, a psychopathic murderer and war-criminal is being hailed as a hero and an innocent victim because he was terrorizing and killing the 'right people.' They see nothing wrong with this. Rule of law, morality, shame, means nothing. This is about power, the gleeful abuse of it, and reveling in freedom from consequences.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#280049: May 8th 2019 at 2:21:14 PM

Pence just announced the Trump admin is going to try to get the Supreme Court to tear away the power of national injunctions from district courts.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#280050: May 8th 2019 at 2:25:08 PM

All the more to get these people out of office next year. It's quite unlikely this could get to the Supreme Court within this term, but another four years would be possible.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on May 8th 2019 at 2:25:35 AM


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