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A procrastination in of itself
#279951: May 7th 2019 at 11:47:51 PM

As impeachment is a topic we’ve been told to drop I’m not gonna touch that.

On how long Barr or anyone else gets for contempt, I believe the sentence is indefinite. They are held until they attend the hearing/hand over the documents. There’s no fixed sentence, it’s just jail time until he does what he was told to do.

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#279952: May 8th 2019 at 12:43:44 AM

Any updates on the two shootouts that were reported here? It seems the news drowned under the impeachment discussion.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#279953: May 8th 2019 at 12:47:33 AM

[up]One dead, eight wounded. Both suspects in custody. Nothing more than that.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on May 8th 2019 at 12:48:05 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#279954: May 8th 2019 at 4:39:07 AM

On how long Barr or anyone else gets for contempt, I believe the sentence is indefinite. They are held until they attend the hearing/hand over the documents. There’s no fixed sentence, it’s just jail time until he does what he was told to do.

There's also the possibility of proving through endurance that Barr's not going to turn over the documents regardless of how long they hold him, which is a defense to contempt (stupid, I know, but that's the law as it stands - IANAL). On the other hand, either Congress would have to accept the defense or it would have to be appealed (I'm pretty sure there is an appeal mechanism of some kind, to contest constitutional issues if nothing else, but I don't know how it would work).

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#279955: May 8th 2019 at 5:25:22 AM

Regarding Barr and contempt, I've seen this somewhat sceptical article which however also says Congress also has the power to arrest or jail people who don’t comply, but that hasn’t happened in almost a century. which IMO is the correct move.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#279956: May 8th 2019 at 5:35:14 AM

They have to meet disobedience with action.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#279957: May 8th 2019 at 5:38:11 AM

Pompeo said melting sea ice present new opportunities for trade: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/06/politics/pompeo-sea-ice-arctic-council/index.html

Is it a bad thing that I wish he would drop dead?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#279958: May 8th 2019 at 5:49:56 AM

Well yes,wishing anyone espically puplic figures isn't a nice thing to say regardless of how much you disagree with them

It's a thoughtless comment,but he clearly means with the ice gone they can exploit more of the resources there

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#279959: May 8th 2019 at 6:06:18 AM

I wish Pompeo would drop dead. I'm not wishing violence on anyone, he should just suddenly have a heart attack that kills him on the spot.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#279960: May 8th 2019 at 6:16:56 AM

yeah thats still a death threat

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#279961: May 8th 2019 at 6:19:11 AM

Not a threat, just a wish.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#279962: May 8th 2019 at 6:21:37 AM

I just wish Pompeo wasn't in a position of power or influence anymore.

And I see this administration has gone on to a new stage of climate change denialism. They're currently in the "climate change might be good for us!" stage.

Edited by M84 on May 8th 2019 at 9:22:26 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#279963: May 8th 2019 at 6:21:43 AM

[up][up]You wish harm would come to him,intent matters.

[up]Be careful what you wish for,someone else could take his place and be much,much worse

Edited by Ultimatum on May 8th 2019 at 1:22:31 PM

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Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#279964: May 8th 2019 at 6:25:48 AM

[up] Not like it's any worse than what they're actively working to make happen to people who are inconvenient to them.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#279965: May 8th 2019 at 6:25:50 AM

Not a threat, just a wish.
So.. Death Wish? tongue

Seriously though, Pompeo's comment is garbage. This whole anti-environment attitude in this administration is really sickening, and his comment is incredibly tone deaf/outright dismissive after the research announced recently that millions of species are probably going to die in 30 years at the rate we're going.

Edited by speedyboris on May 8th 2019 at 8:27:31 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#279966: May 8th 2019 at 6:31:21 AM

[up]If you assume other life only has value in how it can be exploited by humans, I imagine that doesn't matter much. And that's often the tone of such things.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#279967: May 8th 2019 at 6:31:57 AM

[up][up]It's one of the last stages of climate change denialism. The last stages are either "nothing we can do about it anyway so why bother changing?" and (as Pompeo has demonstrated) "Maybe it'll be good for us!"

Edited by M84 on May 8th 2019 at 9:32:05 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#279968: May 8th 2019 at 6:34:26 AM

He basically broke the rule of not bringing security policy (overtly) into the Arctic Council. It's not looking good on many levels.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#279969: May 8th 2019 at 6:34:47 AM

What the comment is, is priviliged.

Pompeo's remark, and other similar remarks by people like Putin, are probably true to an extent. If you happen to be the right person — a wealthy person who owns newly arable land or newly opened shipping routes — you probably can enrich yourself by exploiting climate change while avoiding the worst of the negatives.

The underlying message of Pompeo's remark, basically, is that climate change is a problem for poor people to worry about.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#279970: May 8th 2019 at 6:37:19 AM

[up]Especially poor people in other countries.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279971: May 8th 2019 at 6:45:16 AM

Regarding Barr and contempt, I've seen this somewhat sceptical article which however also says Congress also has the power to arrest or jail people who don’t comply, but that hasn’t happened in almost a century. which IMO is the correct move

Yes, they do because of this actual issue.

And it's been used more recently than that.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#279972: May 8th 2019 at 7:38:51 AM

The Orange House is claiming Executive Privilege over the entirety of the Mueller report, according to CNN.

Not sure if this has any implications on the Contempt votes, which are supposed to be ongoing right now.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#279973: May 8th 2019 at 7:40:54 AM

On that subject, if I'm reading the relevant laws correctly, then Trump can't actually appoint some rando as Acting Attorney General so long as Barr is still officially on the job, whether he's in jail or not.

Nadler says the vote is going forward. He also said that Trump "wants to make himself king, and Congress cannot permit that."

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Asgore Adopts Noelle
#279974: May 8th 2019 at 7:42:37 AM

Trump has officially invoked Executive Privilege to keep the full, unredacted Mueller Report out of the hands of the Democrats in the House. So now the Mueller Report will have to go through the courts for Congress to see it, though that now looks like a longer shot. However, this won't stop holding Barr in contempt of Congress, as Eric Holder was still held in Contempt even though Obama did the same thing regarding Operation Fast and Furious.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#279975: May 8th 2019 at 7:44:01 AM

Yeah, I'm long past the point where I don't care. I have no sympathy left for the Trump administration, they all could drop dead and I'd be happy about it. Yeah, yeah, they're humans, too, but they're humans whose actions and beliefs are so heinous that they deserve death.


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