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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279751: May 6th 2019 at 9:28:59 PM

It is surprisingly a bit relevant.

Specifically, the idea that the Democrats really don't want to be seen as giving fire to the Not So Different argument. Are they honest cops or not?

People voted for them to resist Trump and the corruption.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 6th 2019 at 9:29:28 AM

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#279752: May 6th 2019 at 9:29:03 PM

I wasn't arguing that we shouldn't arrest criminals. I was saying that "The Democrats need to be aggressive to appease their base" strikes me as an inaccurate view of the situation

Edited by Hylarn on May 6th 2019 at 9:29:21 AM

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#279753: May 6th 2019 at 9:29:19 PM

it's not. i got sidetracked. i apologize. that issue in particular is very important to me. ill try to stay topic.

again, my apologies.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279754: May 6th 2019 at 9:30:14 PM

I think part of the issue is that I think the public is underinformed.

The only way they will be informed is if the ugly truth of the Trump administration is dragged out into the light.

Ironically, Hillary came out as pro-impeachment. However, her argument was deceptively clever in that she didn't actually think the impeachment issue was important. She said the issue should be investigations, public investigations, and loud investigations that expose the public to a 24-7 news cycle of how awful a person Trump is.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 6th 2019 at 9:31:06 AM

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#279755: May 6th 2019 at 9:33:11 PM

[up] i think people overlook how responsible the media is for trump. the fact that we havent been subjected to a constant barrage of what a shitty person trump is, to the point that even fox can't ignore it, makes them all culpable.

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#279756: May 6th 2019 at 9:38:24 PM

I still don't know what news you guys are watching, because I'm watching MSNBC most of the time and it basically is "wow Trump is shit" throughout the day. The only time it's not is when something that has to be reported on happens, like Notre Dame catching fire or the plane crashes that happened yesterday. (first one in Miami got overshadowed by the one in Russia, largely because in the Russia one people died.)

I was serious earlier when I complained about "the media" being far too general a term here.

Edited by AceofSpades on May 6th 2019 at 11:39:16 AM

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#279757: May 6th 2019 at 9:40:13 PM

he's just the best option we have right now

Nah

Warren is basically Sanders: HD Remaster. If we're starting anywhere I'd rather it be with her.

AOC, btw, is Sanders: Final Mix, but she's too young to run, so...

[up][up][up]If anything, those investigations are just going to make the public even more pissed at Democrats for not being able to remove him from office, regardless of what their actual goals in beginning impeachment proceedings were.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 6th 2019 at 12:41:55 PM

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#279758: May 6th 2019 at 9:43:13 PM

[up]warren is my second choice. i dont have a third. i live in a state that's going to be blue no matter what i vote, so i have no compunction about not voting or throwing it to a third party if the dems try to make me vote for another centrist.

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#279759: May 6th 2019 at 9:45:50 PM

Why Sanders above Warren?

Oh really when?
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#279760: May 6th 2019 at 9:46:07 PM

[up][up][up][up]The issue with the media in 2016 was that they not only gave Trump a lot of effectively free advertising, they also failed to really focus on any one Trump scandal — because there were so many. While focusing too much on the "Emails" thing.

Basically, Trump's scandals were like a bed of nails — no one nail could really bother you much. The "Email" thing otoh was like a rail spike jammed into your brain.

[up][up]If Biden does win the primaries, it won't be because anyone "forced" him on you.

It will be because Democratic voters voted for him over the other candidates.

Same as in 2016, when Democratic voters chose Clinton over Sanders.

Edited by M84 on May 7th 2019 at 12:49:11 AM

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#279761: May 6th 2019 at 9:52:32 PM

[up][up][up]Better hope you're in the minority of people who feel that way, otherwise, prepare for four more years of Trump.

[up][up]Sanders is louder and thus he cares more?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 6th 2019 at 12:53:22 PM

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#279762: May 6th 2019 at 9:55:00 PM

[up]This is why I continue to vote even though I'm registered in California in a blue district.

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#279763: May 6th 2019 at 10:01:24 PM

im absolutely going to vote in the primary. if i still lived in north carolina i would absolutely vote democrat no matter who the nominee was, even if i had to hold my nose. but i live in oregon. the dems are going to take this state no matter who i vote for. im not going to support a capitalist if i dont absolutely have to.

[up][up] mostly simple pragmatism. i just feel like sanders has a better chance of winning. he's got better rhetoric, and when it comes to winning people over that matters.

Edited by razorrozar7 on May 6th 2019 at 10:02:52 AM

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#279764: May 6th 2019 at 10:05:50 PM

[up]Better rhetoric, like "Democrats focus too much on identity politics" or "There are some people who feel uncomfortable voting for a black person"?

Also, like I said, you'd better hope you're one of the few with that attitude. It's that kind of left-wing demotivation that helped Trump into the White House.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 6th 2019 at 1:08:16 PM

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#279765: May 6th 2019 at 10:07:54 PM

If you were going with pragmatism, Warren would be your choice. For one thing, she actually knows what the fuck she's talking about when she talks about financial policy, has a record of creating consumer protections so big business can't fuck us over, and just keeps coming out with policies. Her reception at the She The People event isn't something to sneeze at either.

Sanders, however, has the same problem as last time; he isn't giving actual answers about what he'd do in office, and his math tends not to add up when talking about paying for his squishy policies.

I don't expect miracles from any of the candidates, but I do expect them to show us they've actually done their homework on the issues. Sanders isn't giving us that yet.

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#279766: May 6th 2019 at 10:09:35 PM

Also, going with Sanders because it "seems like he has a better chance of winning" sounds a lot like "electability" to me.

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#279767: May 6th 2019 at 11:05:05 PM

I think that the reason people think Dems are going to chicken out over Barr is because there haven’t been instant action. People are so used to watching TV shows and films where the good guys react to the bad guys instantly, in reality it’s not that easy, you have to do everything properly and with good time that allows for good faith mistakes even when you know the other party isn’t acting in good faith.

I don’t know if anyone here has ever had to chase a debt legally but that’s the best comparison I can give. You send a ton of “dude you owe me this money, now pay me” letters before you get to the part where you send guys to force entry into the businesses and take the money by force, it’s important for that part of the process to happen before you move onto brute force enforcement.

But attention spans are short and the evil is so obvious, so people get angry at the time this stuff takes even though it’s actually moving very fast.

Also Russians, I’m keeping to my theory that a chunk of the “Dems aren’t going too do anything they’re useless, what’s the point?” on social media is Russia AstroTurf aimed at getting Dems to stay home/vote Green come 2020.

Oh and on Pelosi, she’s actually to the Center-left within the party, she’s part of the liberal wing and the attempt to oust her as speaker came from the moderate/conservative wing. It sucks that the country and the party are that far to the right, but reality is what it is.

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#279768: May 6th 2019 at 11:05:14 PM

Honestly, I think it might be a bit too early to say whether Warren or Sanders has a better chance. At the very earliest, I’d want to wait until the first debate before making that judgment (though I do like Warren).

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279769: May 6th 2019 at 11:07:05 PM

I choose Warren over Bernie.

But Bernie over everyone else.

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#279770: May 6th 2019 at 11:11:40 PM

Honestly, despite decidedly cooling on Bernie these past couple years, I’m kind of feeling the same way?

Everyone else has either no chance (and thus I have no real thoughts on them) or something that makes me definitely not want to see them win the nomination.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279771: May 6th 2019 at 11:14:47 PM

I think Bernie is very flawed on race relations and how to treat them but the economic policies affecting Americans (PRIMARILY minorities) are an issue that needs a complete overhaul now.

We have an example of how a race-blind economic program would be treated in Obama Care. I.e. the racists try and fuck it up for minorities as much as they can. Also, the white poor doesn't seem at all grateful to their black President for saving their ****ing lives.

But it's still one of the seminal pieces of legislation there is and what we need more of.

Warren would do much better but I don't see anyone else even trying to fix the economy to the way it needs to be. It's not even something Biden has a plan for or he would have shared it.

So it's Warren and then Bernie and then "whoever wins because beyond them, it's just a vote against Trump."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 6th 2019 at 11:15:52 AM

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#279772: May 7th 2019 at 12:03:40 AM

I hope for Warren. I like politicians which have a plan.

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#279773: May 7th 2019 at 12:08:15 AM

I don't hope for Warren, but if it comes down to it I'd still probably vote for her over Biden in the primaries. I can't see Biden doing or saying anything that would make me get over my hangups concerning him.

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#279774: May 7th 2019 at 12:10:06 AM

And then the internet cries fraud and goes off to vote Trump in the general because Bernie didn't win and the Democrats need to be punished for it.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#279775: May 7th 2019 at 12:12:46 AM

Or they stay at home or vote third party, which isn't much better.

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