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#279726: May 6th 2019 at 8:52:38 PM

[up]x5 Barr would absolutely know. Trump on the other hand is going to try, as he's all about pushing the Constitution to its limits. Whether the Supreme Court would uphold our traditional rules, or alter them for the Republican's benefit, though, I can't say.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on May 6th 2019 at 11:53:53 AM

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#279727: May 6th 2019 at 8:53:33 PM

[up][up]I don't get where that mindset comes from either. If nothing else, we've seen that Nancy Pelosi has quite the spine.

Edited by M84 on May 6th 2019 at 11:54:03 PM

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#279728: May 6th 2019 at 8:57:07 PM

[up] nancy "still a corporate Democrat" "trump isn't worth impeaching" "i did the bare minimum i had to to keep trump from winning and people are sucking my dick for it" pelosi?

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#279729: May 6th 2019 at 8:58:05 PM

[up]More like Nancy "I know my shit" Pelosi.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#279730: May 6th 2019 at 8:58:53 PM

[up]x3 "They haven't stopped Trump from pushing his new immigration laws. They weren't able to keep him from declaring a national emergency. And they didn't even try to impeach Trump when they had the chance! What good are they?"

Edited by kkhohoho on May 6th 2019 at 10:59:24 AM

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#279731: May 6th 2019 at 8:59:29 PM

[up][up]she's a centrist. she works for corporations, not us. just because she's an enemy of trump doesn't mean she's a friend of the people.

Edited by razorrozar7 on May 6th 2019 at 9:00:01 AM

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#279732: May 6th 2019 at 8:59:47 PM

[up][up]Forgetting of course that you kind of need the Senate for that too.

Edited by M84 on May 7th 2019 at 12:00:49 AM

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#279733: May 6th 2019 at 9:01:27 PM

I mean, yeah, I don't know where the hell the this whole 'Democrats don't have a spine' thing is coming from either. Like, remember when Trump shut down the government over the Wall, and the Democrats folded immediately?

Oh, wait, no, I don't remember that. How I remember it happening is that they stood their ground through the longest shutdown in American History, until the GOP folded and accepted a deal that was worse that what they were offered before the shutdown. So given that precedent, I totally see how it's logical to assume they're about to chicken out on something they've already started the paperwork to do.

Edited by Gilphon on May 6th 2019 at 12:02:25 PM

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#279734: May 6th 2019 at 9:02:49 PM

[up]they didn't break the GOP, workers going on strike broke the GOP. the dems did the bare minimum and people are falling all over them for it.

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#279735: May 6th 2019 at 9:04:35 PM

Some months back I said something about how if Hope Is Scary, hopelessness is comforting. The idea, I believe, is that if you already expect the worst and don't get your hopes up, you can't be let down.

Hence posts like [up], even though the "bare minimum" was not accepting anything Trump and the GOP put on the table.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 6th 2019 at 12:06:38 PM

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#279736: May 6th 2019 at 9:06:35 PM

Anyone who's seriously upset about a lack of impeachment is an idiot, bluntly.

It's 100% guaranteed to fail and the attempt will destroy all of our political capital and do nothing but give Republicans "Trump Impeachment Fails" as a headline for years and rile up their voter base.

Oh really when?
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#279737: May 6th 2019 at 9:06:47 PM

[up][up]I try not to fall into either. Being too hopeful leads to disappointment. Being too hopeless leads to malaise.

Despite my signature, I'm actually an optimist most of the time, if you can believe that. I just try to be realistic about it.

Edited by M84 on May 7th 2019 at 12:07:22 AM

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#279738: May 6th 2019 at 9:07:45 PM

i mean, im an anarcho-socialist, and im sick of having nothing but capitalists to vote for. as long as my choices are between "hates minorities and the poor" and "only hates the poor", im not going to be happy. that's why i want sanders so badly. he's not going to fix everything on his own but he's going to open the door to a proper, actual leftist being in office, rather than the corporate centrists we've been trained by the oligarchs are leftists.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#279739: May 6th 2019 at 9:09:11 PM

Saying the workers went on strike is a weird way of putting it; the workers stopped working because they stopped getting paid- which is sort of the reverse of a strike. Not that that distinction particularly matters, that's a situation that puts equal pressure on both parties, and the GOP caved first.

But more to the point, no, that wasn't the bare minimum. If the dems had been doing the bare minimum, they would've caved the instant Trump threatened the shutdown. Instead they stayed 100% united for months, with not even DINOs like Manchin breaking ranks.

Edited by Gilphon on May 6th 2019 at 12:15:59 PM

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#279740: May 6th 2019 at 9:09:43 PM

[up][up]Have you ever actually looked into Sanders and who his donors are? The man has been in Lockheed's back pocket for decades.

His reputation as a political outsider or "anti-capitalist" is pretty much a fabrication, he's not very different from the rest of them in that regard.

Edited by LeGarcon on May 6th 2019 at 12:09:55 PM

Oh really when?
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#279741: May 6th 2019 at 9:10:18 PM

Anyone who's seriously upset about a lack of impeachment is an idiot, bluntly.

It's 100% guaranteed to fail and the attempt will destroy all of our political capital and do nothing but give Republicans "Trump Impeachment Fails" as a headline for years and rile up their voter base.

The pro-impeachment argument is that the purpose of it wouldn't be to remove Trump from office, but to send a message that Trump and the GOP can't get away with what they're doing; that they're not above the law.

The obvious counter-argument, one that I have yet to see addressed, is that when the Senate eventually votes not to remove him, that sends the message that yes, he can, and yes, they are. Not only that, but it will simply make Democrats look incompetent and toothless, which isn't what we need before an election year.

Also, Sanders only really dresses up as a leftist, in a costume that looks authentic from afar, but whose tears and hole become more apparent the closer you look at it. I can't in good conscience call someone so blasé on racial issues a proper leftist. He's more like a bog-standard leftist cosplayer.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 6th 2019 at 12:14:43 PM

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#279742: May 6th 2019 at 9:13:09 PM

[up][up]Yeah, Sanders' ties to Lockheed Martin are one of the reasons I don't quite trust him.

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#279743: May 6th 2019 at 9:15:03 PM

[up]he's not ideal by any means. he's socdem at best and that's still too capitalist for my taste, aside from his questionable ties. he's just the best option we have right now, and we have to start somewhere

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#279744: May 6th 2019 at 9:15:14 PM

Re "agree to disagree": I think part of it is probably the mutual realization that you can only divulge so far in ideology before you can't respect people anymore.

Like it's all well and good to have a reasonable and mutually disrespectful disagreement (which is an ideal of politics that many americans are raised with), but when the disagreement is about something people consider fundamental human rights, there's no amount of civility that's going to be enough for people to respect your belief that LGBT+ people shouldn't have civil rights, or that women shouldn't have access to proper health care (and abortion IS part of health care), or that illegal immigration by non-whites is a serious problem that merits extreme cruelty as a response. You're either a bigot, or you aren't.

And so by that same token, conservatives probably felt that they didn't need to make a pretense of respecting other people's views if their opposition thinks their own as fundamentally illegitimate and not worthy of consideration. That's not a defense of their views of course, but that's probably how they justify it to themselves.

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#279745: May 6th 2019 at 9:19:02 PM

I think people here are really overestimating the extent that the general public knows or cares about what's happening in DC. I guarantee you that the majority of the country has no idea about the affair with Barr, and arresting him will almost certainly anger more people than it pleases (but most of those people wouldn't vote Democrat in the first place, along with other considerations)

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#279746: May 6th 2019 at 9:22:31 PM

Uh... if they decide that arresting Barr is the right thing to do in this situation (and I can't say I know what all the legal rules surrounding that are) than it "angering people" who aren't in a position to one, make that decision, two, have the information to make that decision with, is a very shitty reason not to do it. Like... police don't get to not arrest a guy they know killed someone just because it might piss off the guy's family. That's not how law is supposed to work. The public's supposed ignorance of the situation is also not a good reason to not arrest Barr. The "public" in this case isn't the party responsible here.

Not to mention, this kind of thing is the job that House reps were voted in to perform.

Edited by AceofSpades on May 6th 2019 at 11:23:59 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279747: May 6th 2019 at 9:25:28 PM

I think people here are really overestimating the extent that the general public knows or cares about what's happening in DC. I guarantee you that the majority of the country has no idea about the affair with Barr, and arresting him will almost certainly anger more people than it pleases (but most of those people wouldn't vote Democrat in the first place, along with other considerations)

What you're describing is (ironically) populism.

The rule of law and morality giving way to chasing votes.

At what point do we give up what we're fighting for on the oft chance it will be hard? Also, as seen, the people you're supposed to get the support of are getting shown (repeatedly) that voting for the Democrats is pointless.

But I am pro-impeachment because you don't let a crime go because it will be a hard prosecution.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 6th 2019 at 9:27:38 AM

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#279748: May 6th 2019 at 9:26:41 PM

no, police just get to not arrest a guy who killed someone because he's rich.

the american police institution as it stands is overrun with racists and white supremacists. 40% of police are proven domestic abusers - and remember that domestic abuse is one of the most underreported crimes. the police are the boots the bourgeoisie put into the faces of the proletariat.

acab.

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#279749: May 6th 2019 at 9:27:42 PM

Oh boy, while true, that had nothing to do with my argument, really.

Is this what your posting is going to be like?

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#279750: May 6th 2019 at 9:28:04 PM

[up][up]How is that relevant?

Edited by LeGarcon on May 6th 2019 at 12:28:29 PM

Oh really when?

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