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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279701: May 6th 2019 at 7:37:01 PM

It depends on whether it's doing more harm than good.

Don't blame the medium.

The bile comes from the people who produce and consume it.

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#279702: May 6th 2019 at 7:37:12 PM

[up][up][up]I think the key here is that the fight needs to happen on the turf of the corrupt influencers. Minimum, we would need to make sure that a message sent by Trump or his cronies has any potential effect on an influenceable mind canceled out.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 6th 2019 at 10:37:40 AM

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#279703: May 6th 2019 at 7:37:55 PM

[up][up]I can absolutely blame the medium if its moderators and such are doing a shit job of keeping hate off of it.

Twitter has been making some progress here, but it's still got a long way to go.

Edited by M84 on May 6th 2019 at 10:40:16 PM

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#279704: May 6th 2019 at 7:40:04 PM

If the moderators won’t negate the hate, that’s why we need to.

...I say that like I have any influence...

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#279705: May 6th 2019 at 7:40:19 PM

A reminder that Twitter recently decided they can't ban too much white supremacist bullshit because that would also target "certain" Republicans.

That is the kind of medium Twitter is.

Edited by M84 on May 6th 2019 at 10:40:34 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#279706: May 6th 2019 at 7:41:30 PM

So get on Amazon and order a gas mask and this metaphor has run it's course. Point is, it has its use. If we're going to be pragmatic about winning in 2020 we need to bring all tools to bear.

No one is saying engage in flame wars or respond to every troll. But you can promote people you like to get their message out or stay on top of news that cabal news doesn't cover. I believe wisewillow said before that they use Twitter to keep up with activists on the border or who are involved with police brutality.

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#279707: May 6th 2019 at 7:42:28 PM

[up][up]Is that supposed to be a point against me? Because it sounds like we’re in agreement about what the problem is.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 6th 2019 at 10:42:58 AM

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#279708: May 6th 2019 at 7:43:21 PM

Looking back at my last post, I may just be desperate to find a silver lining in the whole sordid situation, myself. I'm sure that's been a near constant in recent years, ever since the double-whammy of Trump and Brexit - and I'm just an outside observer as far as the former's concerned. This may explain why I don't post here very often. :V

This does make me wonder, though, if anyone's done a study on how much the population's views on racism, sexism etc. noticeably fluctuate depending on the actions of the government, beyond just the natural long-term evolution of societal views. Like, if expressions of open racism go up during a republican presidency. If that was the case, it'd suggest there's a lot of people whose outward views on prejudice are based solely on whether or not the current government says it's okay.

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#279709: May 6th 2019 at 7:44:20 PM

[up][up]Merely a clarification of why I think Twitter is a fucking dumpster fire.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#279710: May 6th 2019 at 7:45:53 PM

I'm aware of the merits and detractions of social media, but even independent of those I'm just not the kind of person who can really be bothered to deal with most of it. Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, etc.

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#279711: May 6th 2019 at 7:46:30 PM

[up]There's that too.

Social media has its benefits...but frankly, I don't think we as a society were really prepared for it and how it would screw with our minds.

Edited by M84 on May 6th 2019 at 10:47:18 PM

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#279712: May 6th 2019 at 7:47:19 PM

[up][up][up]I see. I won’t say that it’s not a dumpster fire, just that, even if we can’t put it out (which we can’t), I still believe that the burn needs to be kept from consuming innocent bystanders. If that even makes sense.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 6th 2019 at 10:48:02 AM

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#279713: May 6th 2019 at 7:58:48 PM

Somewhat positive anecdote on the subject of media. The negative press surrounding Trump over the Mueller Report has shifted my Trump voting grandpa from defending Trump to "No Opinion". The report about those 300+ federal prosecutors saying Trump would be charged if he only he weren't in office seems to have coaxed him away from Cheeto Benito.

Baby steps, but hey, you try getting a crotchety old Baby Boomer to change his mind on anything.

Edited by Parable on May 6th 2019 at 8:09:06 AM

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#279714: May 6th 2019 at 8:04:32 PM

On the topic of the disappearance of the 'let's agree to disagree' mentality from the right, I think the "Obama Realization" is exactly what it is. The attitude of 'we're free to disagree because this is America' looks very nice to Republicans when they have a comfortable social inertia and the people disagreeing with them are in no danger of actually being listened to. It's the magnanimity of the patrician who has no problem throwing a few scraps to the people outside every now and then because they'll never be a real threat — except now they have to actually consider that alternate viewpoints might have weight behind them, and they don't like it.

Edited by RedSavant on May 6th 2019 at 11:04:55 AM

It's been fun.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279715: May 6th 2019 at 8:19:10 PM

Speaking as an author, Twitter is where I have most of my fanbase and the only place I have received threatening hate mail.

Especially the one time I criticized Trump there for the child cages.

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#279716: May 6th 2019 at 8:29:45 PM

So, what is Congress' options in the face of the two guys obstructing justice (or whatever) and what happens if they still don't give up the information they're supposed to?

Things seem to be escalating fast.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279717: May 6th 2019 at 8:36:37 PM

So, what is Congress' options in the face of the two guys obstructing justice (or whatever) and what happens if they still don't give up the information they're supposed to?

Things seem to be escalating fast.

Congress can and has arrested Attorney Generals before. One served time in prison and the other was forced to resign.

It's part of what is making this so damned awkward is there's no excuse for not doing it other than the fact they don't want to make a big huge horrible stink before an election.

But their own voters are disgusted at them every time they don't.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 6th 2019 at 8:37:08 AM

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#279718: May 6th 2019 at 8:39:07 PM

[up]x2 Since both documents were ordered by the law (The Subpoena for the unedited Mueller Report, the law that lets certain Congress people see anyone's financial records for any reason), the men who refused will be given a Contempt of Congress Citation and arrested by the Sargent-at-arms for the House, who only answers to the House of Representatives and not to any Executive Branch person. These people are then tried by the chamber, the Chamber votes on if they are indeed in contempt, and the Chamber applies a proper punishment for the offenders, which includes real jail time. Also, Contempt of Congress is one of the few Federal Crimes that can not be pardoned by the President, meaning that the offenders will have to serve whatever sentence they are handed.

So Barr and Mnuchin will most likely be given jail time. In this divided Congress, however, neither men will probably be impeached, and would only lose their Job if Trump fired them for being in Jail. I also don't know what that means for the Documents in question.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on May 6th 2019 at 11:40:17 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279719: May 6th 2019 at 8:41:12 PM

[up]That is what should happen in a sane world.

The problem is the DNC very well could decide to let it go and that will devastate their chances in the next election.

Ironically in the face of Trump'a tyranny.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 6th 2019 at 8:42:30 AM

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#279720: May 6th 2019 at 8:44:19 PM

[up]Except the DNC isn't Congress.

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#279721: May 6th 2019 at 8:46:29 PM

[up][up][up]do you think barr knows he can't be pardoned for contempt? do you think trump knows?

[up][up]the dnc doesn't really have anything to do with this, at least not right now. they'll have to answer for it if barr and mnuchin aren't held to account, though.

Edited by razorrozar7 on May 6th 2019 at 8:47:42 AM

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#279722: May 6th 2019 at 8:46:36 PM

What I want to know is why they wouldn't want to make a huge deal out of it. I mean, surely they've been desperate for this information - as have their voters - and now they have this opportunity practically handed to them on a silver platter. The only reason I can think of is that they've unconsciously bought into Trump's hype and think that he can sic MAGA Bomber Squads on them. :V

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#279723: May 6th 2019 at 8:47:56 PM

What I don't get is why we're all assuming that Congress is going to chicken out.

FFS, they've already started the process.

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#279724: May 6th 2019 at 8:49:57 PM

[up]That's kind of what I was getting at; i.e., 'what reason would they have for chickening out'? I didn't word that very well. :/

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on May 6th 2019 at 4:50:17 PM

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#279725: May 6th 2019 at 8:51:39 PM

[up][up]"The Dems haven't shown a spine so far, why would they start now?"

Not what I personally believe, just what seems to be the popular opinion.

Though for me the real killer is having to wait another day to see how this all plays out.

Edited by kkhohoho on May 6th 2019 at 10:52:21 AM


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