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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Gonna be honest here, fuck Bernie.
That's not being entirely fair to him, I know, but my goodness. The sheer fanaticism his supporters have for him is far too reminiscent of another crowd of fanatics surrounding a political figure. I'd thought that the reactionary extremism Trump brought about would lead to more extremist reactionaries from other political positions. I don't think I'm right about that, but I do see the crazy getting worse on the Bernie trainwreck as time goes on. I still remember how a lot of Bernie supporters jumped to the Trump wagon when it became clear that they weren't gonna feeeeeeel the Bern 2016. Not all of them, but still quite a lot, and that says quite a bit. I don't think the majority of his supporters are made up of fanatics, but I'm seeing a worrying number of them.
That, and I just plain don't think he'll be good for the country, especially not in terms of how effective he or his policies may actually be. I'm not that center, but I'm not that far left either.
But I really don't want Trump again. So fuck him too, and I don't think that's unfair.
So really, I'm in for whoever the not-Bernie Democratic candidate turns out to be. I'd rather the country get something resembling some stability/grounding before it starts going bungie-jumping into the Sarlacc pit with the frayed g-string that passes for a political climate nowadays. I'm fine with baby steps towards progress (but it would be really swell if the one of the first, if not the first baby step was fixing that whole internment-camp-for-tots bullshit please). It would be preferable just to get of the crazy bus for now, please and thanks.
but maybe somewhereI don't like Sanders and I'm not fond of some of his more obnoxious fans but calling them reactionaries is an abuse of the term.
Reaction specifically refers to the rejection of modernity and embrace of traditional values. Which hardly describes Sanders or his committed fans.
Also, I feel the need to point out that fewer Bernie supporters voted for Trump in 2016 than Clinton voters for Mc Cain in 2008.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
I disagree with that, but again, not-Sanders is the best option I see.
Duly noted. But I feel and think that Clinton->Mc Cain is far less of a mental pretzeling than Bernie->Trump.
I just hope that the Democrats hawk their own policies and qualifications, rather than attacking each other. Don't do the GOP's job for them, for fuck's sake.
On a related topic, what do you guys think of Biden and Warren running on the same ticket? Too old?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Pretty sure Warren would rather stay in the Senate than be in close quarters with Biden on a regular basis in a mostly symbolic role.
She’s REALLY
not a fan of Biden.
Edited by wisewillow on May 3rd 2019 at 12:19:40 PM
Oh, it would be one of the biggest Enemy Mine tickets in recent memory (probably more hostile than Kennedy/Johnson). But I could envision a scenario in which one of them comes up right behind the other in the primary (mainly because Warren didn't suffer a drop when Biden declared), and come together to unify the various wings of the party.
Not my ideal ticket, TBH.
With all that said, I hope that they keep their feud down during the primary and the election (if one of them wins), we don't need frontrunning Dems being torn down by their own side. So far, so good, but its a long race, and tensions are only going to get higher.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on May 3rd 2019 at 4:24:04 PM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.>I just hope that the Democrats hawk their own policies and qualifications, rather than attacking each other
Part of the reasons that politicians do that is because in our current system, if there are two politicians who are close to each other but either one would get the majority of the vote and they both run with someone else who would get a minority of the vote, they split the vote and neither wins.
Score/Range voting solves this problem, and a lot more besides.
I always just assumed "the economy is doing good" to be a short hand for "I and most of the people I know have jobs/know a lot of places are hiring".
Obviously there's going to be a lot more to it than that, but like most things, most people aren't actually going to think deeper about it than their immediate sphere. That really shouldn't be surprising.
Didn't the Democratic candidates agree to lay off the worst if the personal attacks for m during the primary to avoid the GOP co-opting whatever they do later? I remember reading about some kind of agreement early on.
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Edited by sgamer82 on May 3rd 2019 at 1:44:40 PM
You may want to get your memory checked then, as the Bernie supporters going over to Trump happened at about the same rate as Hillary supporters going to Mc Cain (many of which won’t actually have been people going to the other side but Republicans/Republican leaners voting in the Dem primary to try and scupper a candidate they don’t like).
The Bernie cult crowd isn’t as big as people think it is, a big chunk of the Bernie cultists on twitter aren’t actual Bernie cultists, they’re Russian operatives trying to cause friction within the Democratic Party.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that twitter is full of real people, some of them are real, an awful lot of them are bots, Russian intelligence operatives and Russian bots.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWell, the District Court of Southern Ohio just declared the Congressional map unconstitutional
, and forbid it from being used for the 2020 election.
Whether that decision will get overturned and/or stayed by an upper court is anyone's guess, though.
And with Biden, there's a rather sordid situation coming to light
, as a company his son, Hunter, sits on the board of, Burisma Holdings, was being investigated by Ukraine's top prosecutor. Said prosecutor was facing international scorn for corruption, and Biden used his position as VP to help push him out by withholding financial aid to the country.
One may not necessarily relate to the other, but lord is that a bad look.
Edit: I mistakenly put that Biden sat on the board, not his son.
That part is disputable, but again - very bad optics for Biden.
Edited by ironballs16 on May 3rd 2019 at 4:18:49 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"You know what bothers me more than anything about Bernie Sanders? When the media uses his last name interchangeably with Sarah Huckabee Sanders. "Sanders says [dumb thing]" as a headline could refer to either one, and I have to actually read the content to find out which.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What do they have to gain by that? As you said, they're click-bait. Thus being unclear means you have to click to find out.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.It looks like Kelly didn't have his career destroyed as he likely had the job waiting in the wings since Caliburn is owned by DC Capital Partners, which Kelly was apart of the board of advisors before joining Trump back in 2017.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."Oh. My. GOD. YES.
Every gosh darned time they mention "[Sarah Hackabee] Sanders doing x" for a second I wonder if they mean Bernie Sanders and it's so annoying.
It's cruel and exploitive and I hate it.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on May 3rd 2019 at 1:38:48 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

It always seems to me that when the economy is said to be strong the indicators seem to be things like Amazon and Wal-Mart shares going up. In other words, the rich are getting richer. Not something that makes a difference to the ordinary working-class American.
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