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Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#279001: Apr 27th 2019 at 5:11:54 PM

Another reason that, yes, Bernie is a minority threatened by white supremacy.

As are all Jewish citizens of the US of A.

Observant or not.

Bernie can be both threatened by white supremacists and benefit from white privilege at the same time, you know.

'Whiteness' is a social construct and it means different things to different people, he's not white to most (anti-Semitic) white supremacists, but he's certainly white to society at large.

Angry gets shit done.
Mr_Madman Almighty Janitor from Eagleland, World of Badass Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Brony
Almighty Janitor
#279002: Apr 27th 2019 at 5:37:59 PM

There is only one problem with the collapse of the NRA: if that one shuts down, a new organization (likely far more fanatical) will take its place. So, in all reality, it is arguably a bad thing, since a political vacuum will be made.

Wait a second: How on earth did I even get here?
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#279003: Apr 27th 2019 at 5:45:52 PM

That doesn't mean it will have the same influence. It would take a while for any such organization to get its legs, and that would be all the more difficult if it was characterized as more psychotic than the thing it was spawned from.

Mr_Madman Almighty Janitor from Eagleland, World of Badass Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Brony
Almighty Janitor
#279004: Apr 27th 2019 at 6:07:26 PM

Point taken.

However, the vacuum will exist, and given the NRA will still have support, it would likely continue to persist in one shape or form. Who knows what happens to it, the organization would most likely restructure its leadership and contest an action on the federal level. There are many other possibilities that I have not mentioned since I have not explored them all yet.

Wait a second: How on earth did I even get here?
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#279005: Apr 27th 2019 at 6:13:41 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#279006: Apr 27th 2019 at 6:21:13 PM

Seriously, Sci Fi Slasher, the points you make have value, but why exactly can't you make them without screaming/being sarcastic? It's very off-putting.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#279007: Apr 27th 2019 at 6:25:50 PM

so this Vox headline compared Joe to Hiliary,no really

"Joe Biden is the Hillary Clinton of 2020"

"Americans want outsiders, reformers, and fresh faces, not politicians with decades of baggage."

Don't most politicians have baggage regardless? Also,probably fairer to compare Elizabeth Warren to Hilary but whatever

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#279008: Apr 27th 2019 at 6:41:27 PM

[up]x3 Is it possible that you could make your point without being an asshole?

Save it for when someone is being blatantly bigoted, getting your nark on all the time makes you look childish.

singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#279009: Apr 27th 2019 at 7:39:51 PM

[up][up] Skim read the article, sounded like someone has an axe to grind but trying to dress it up as sober analysis.

My take is that Biden could end up as Romney 2012.

See, if he holds his position as a front runner than I see him having to take on the others as and when they come into favour. He'll tack to the left to do it, but it will always be with an eye to tack back to the center for the general election.

It's old school US politics. I'm a little sceptical because I would say rallying the base is more important now in this polarised era - but on the flip side would the anti-Trump feeling be enough to get the base out and thus Biden could chase the independents / help win purple senate seats?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279010: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:03:23 PM

I'd agree Joe Biden is basically Clinton.

He's like Bill running today.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#279011: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:05:18 PM

That kind of puts things in perspective.

Tbh, it seems like the primary if you're registered is when you need to get critical of who you want, because I'm voting Democrat anyway whomever is up on the ballot.

Feels weird to unquestioningly go straight ticket no matter what, but what can you do with today.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#279012: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:15:21 PM

[up] I know, I loathe the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" nature of things. But right now, the other side really is that bad...

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#279013: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:18:43 PM

Biden's politics are similar to Bill's, but the way the 2020 primary is playing out reminds me a lot of 2016— We've got an old, experienced party politician that people are just sort of expecting to win, despite the fact that they're really not all that popular with anyone. And then the left is gathering around Sanders, despite the fact that he clearly won't be able to win

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Face me now, bitch!
#279014: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:18:58 PM

@Sci Fi Slasher: Seriously. For the love of god, you have good points, but you come off as an elitist dick about, like others here have said.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#279015: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:20:45 PM

Pod Save America mentioned that both Biden and Trump are going to run on nostalgia for the good ol' days.

The key difference being that Trump's version is the mythical 1950's where white people are the majority, minorities don't get uppity, and women are in the kitchen.

While Biden's version is going back to when Obama was president. Because what Democrat and swing voter wouldn't give their left leg to go back to then? The joke was that Biden's slogan could be, "Make America 2016 Again!"

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#279016: Apr 27th 2019 at 9:15:04 PM

Intersectionality also means that even non-white people can be really shitty to other non-white people. Even if you want to argue that Bernie experiences religious bigotry because he's Jewish, he does not experience significant racial bigotry because he's white. Even if he did, that doesn't change the fact that Sanders as a person has shown to be generally ignorant or insensitive to the realities of racial and gender bigotry.

Just because someone is of a discriminated minority group does not mean they can't be assholes to other minority groups, just look at all the Republican Token Black Guys and Token Gays.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#279017: Apr 27th 2019 at 10:15:37 PM

@Hylam Except that Hillary was actually reasonable popular with the voters when she was picked. It was the constant "but a e mails" which changed how the public saw her.

[up] Plus, in politics the gender bias is often even stronger than the race bias.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 27th 2019 at 10:16:39 AM

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#279018: Apr 28th 2019 at 12:01:18 AM

Just in case anyone is interested what former Presidential candidates are saying.
Should we be?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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#279019: Apr 28th 2019 at 12:02:56 AM

Sci Fi - I get that's important to you, but we do value civility here. If you can restate that without insulting the forum, fine.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#279020: Apr 28th 2019 at 12:49:51 AM

[up][up]According to how 538 scores endorsements, we should.

The 2020 Endorsement Primary — the point scale is on the right side. Former nominees are rated at 5 points, alongside former national party leaders and 2020 candidates who have dropped out.

Edited by M84 on Apr 29th 2019 at 3:50:07 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#279021: Apr 28th 2019 at 3:02:49 AM

[up][up][up] Maybe, maybe not...

...but I sure wish Republican voters did. Don't think any of the past Republican nominees have had kind words for Trump.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#279022: Apr 28th 2019 at 5:09:44 AM

Would you rather

1)A Democrat is elected President but the Republicans now have both houses and the democrats lose what they've gained.

Or

The Republican President remains but both houses are controlled by the Democrats

In both cases,neither can make changes (outside of say,executive decisions) without being blocked by the opposite majority party,so I guess the real question is which lame duck do you want? Bearing in mind if your newly elected president can't really do anything in their first term it can effect their chases of being reelected

Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 28th 2019 at 12:17:08 PM

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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#279023: Apr 28th 2019 at 5:17:45 AM

I'd want Trump out the White House. Trump is republican Jesus, and to show that he really is a failure and not a demigod would hurt the base and probably lesson the wave of hate crimes we have right now and disempower right wing terrorism.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#279024: Apr 28th 2019 at 5:22:57 AM

We've dealt with a Republican-controlled Congress before, and it was nowhere near as devastating in terms of international presence, soft power, and respectability as Trump's Presidency has been. Even if we have to have a Republican President in the second scenario, continuing with Trump is unthinkable.

It's been fun.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#279025: Apr 28th 2019 at 6:59:28 AM

Like this is a choice. I'd want Trump out. At least then we wouldn't have to be assaulted with his scowling mug and obnoxious comments every single day. I mean, he'd still probably try to stay in the news every day regardless, but the press would be under no obligation to cover him because he wouldn't be the president.


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