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I expect that Biden v Sanders will shape up similarly to Clinton V Sanders. While I'd never vote for Sanders, I could see a universe where Biden could persuade me to vote for him. Granted people on this forum might like him less, but it's not completely impossible in the same way that Sanders is.
That said, of the two I like Sanders better and he's someone I respect. I feel like Sanders is doing what he thinks is best for the country and I can respect that even if I'm on the completely opposite side from him.
The more I learn about Joe Biden, the more appalled I am.
I didn’t know a lot of the details about how badly he treated Anita Hill until the sexual-harassment law class I took last fall. And I had no idea that, as the senator from Delaware, he did so much to help corporations screw over consumers by making it harder to declare bankruptcy, among many other things. And he wrote the damn 1994 crime bill that accelerated mass incarceration, and he said recently that he doesn’t regret it, at all. I… that’s a lot. Not to mention that he was against busing in the 1970s.
Because when:
1) A relative unknown like O'Rourke jumps to third place in funding
2) 538 showing that Dems mostly think the women or minority candidates aren't considered electible
3) The fact that the only similiarities between Biden and Sanders is that they're both socially tone deaf white men
4) Despite considerable ideological differences, Biden and Sanders are considered the second choice for the other's supporters. And not say Warren for Sanders'supporters or Booker for Biden's
5) Everyone considers someone like Paul Buttigeig a rising star
You can't help but question if there's still deep seated racial/gender bias. And on the fifth case, I even doubt Buttigeig will still be considered a darling once his homosexuality is revealed to the general public.
I wouldn't ignore the power of a good slogan or a positive meme. Obama basically won on "Yes we can". Nobody really cared what he could or they just all assumed that he could whatever they imagined them he should do. Trump won on "Make America Great Again" which again allowed everyone to project their version of a great America into it. "I have a plan" isn't quite as strong but in a way it is brilliant because it will lead to people who actually care about policies to ask "what plan?" (and it is clear that Warren has an answer to it) while people who do care will just assume that the plan is for whatever they think the government should fix.
Plus every good slogan has three or four words.
I am pretty sure that #2 isn't a unquestionably established fact and even if it were it is categorically not evidence for " there's still deep seated racial/gender bias". "The American public is too racist/sexist to accept a woman/minority candidate so we can only run an old white straight man against Trump" is a speculative and bad way of thinking but not proof of racial bias at all.
And yes, I am fairly sure Buttigieg's sexual orientation is wide knowledge.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanWell Harris is low on my list because I haven't seen any economic policy reform and that's my number one issue.
But she's above Biden.
I just think Biden will win and probably in a landslide because I'm pessimistic.
It's Warren or Sanders for me.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Someone pointed this out before, but Buttigieg is about as middle-of-the-road as you can get.
He's gay and married, Christian but has no issue with atheists, has a Harvard degree but grew up in a small city, and so on.
As far as "electability" goes, I'd say he's the safest choice. He's a chameleon, and basically a compromise in pretty much every front.
Alright, I'm starting to get seriously uncomfortable with the amount of people calling Bernie Sanders 'White'. He's Jewish; his skin tone might be on the light side, but he was not born to any European People, he was born to Ashkenazi Parents. You can argue all you want on how Jewish People in America have an easier time then most Minorities, but Sanders is a Minority, he is not a White man, and lumping him and Jewish People in the same group as White People, to me, is Racist and denies that Jewish people in the United States do suffer from discrimination.
Then again, I am not a Jewish Person, I am White, so maybe I'm wrong, but something about calling Sanders White does not feel right at all.
Well this is interesting.
At least some of Trump's records are now in the hands of the NY AG.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.No, but it is a metric by which our candidates should pick their campaign slogans, which is what was being suggested. For a slogan, meme-worthy is good. You want something that rolls off the tongue, that you can emphatically say at rallies and during speeches, and that people will remember and recite to one another.
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X4 It is entirely possible to be both white and Jewish, minority categories often overlap with majority characteristics (see mayor Pete the gay Christian), Bernie’s skin colour is white, his cultural background is Jewish, both are true. To the best of my knowledge nobody has called Bernie Anglo-Saxon or a WASP. Sanders is also not a practicing Jew, which muddies things further, as one can argue about if bigotry is the US against Jewish people is aimed more at the religiously Jewish or the culturally Jewish.
As for polls, as 538 pointed out they’re pretty reliable for support once adjusted for name recognition, but a lot could change because candidates will drop out, likewise if we get a contested convention all he’ll may break loose.
If all the other candidates focus on Biden come the debates we might see an unwillingness for people to support him at a contested convention/as their second choice. It’s entirely possible that we go into the convention with Biden at 30%, Bernie at 25% Warren and Harris at 12% each and 21% amongst other candidates who have dropped out, when with everyone pissed at Biden and afraid of Bernie either Warren or Harris end up picked as a unity candidate.
Edited by Silasw on Apr 25th 2019 at 6:39:33 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranSpeaking in the South, again, this is a regional issue.
One of my teachers explained that it's important to remember that white is an illusion and claimed but not a "real" thing for people who use it. Biologically. 1920s Irish cops considered themselves white when they beat black but were rejected as such by the Anglo upper class.
Jewish is something that will get hate crimes done to you in Kentucky including vandalism, arson, and physical assault.
However, in parts of New York, you'd be considered upper class and beyond reproach.
My general view is a Jewish President would be a major boon for diversity but a lot of people don't care about that because they see Bernie as a white man and not a member of a marginalized group who put his life in danger at times.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Yeah all cultural identities are relative, someone who identifies as one of the white upper-class in Latin America could be seen as a “filthy Mexican” in the US, while a second generation Hispanic-American would be seen as white in Europe but not in the US.
To the democratic base with much of their focus in the north-East, a Jewish person is pretty white and one of the wealthy, for republican voters in the South Sanders is a heretic responsible for the death of Christ.
Oh and someone bought up us a while ago, I suspect that OTC is fairly representative of not democrat primary voters, but democratic activists, I’ve mentioned before that 538 are doing a series on what democratic activists want and we seem to run pretty similar to that, especially with the universal dislike of Gabbard.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWhich is a pretty reasonable complaint, 'cause I'm a foreigner who only has generalist knowledge about the US elections and candidates, and I'm pretty sure I can tell as much about Buttigieg's platform as he can.
I know the race hasn't even started yet, but to have almost no concrete policies doesn't paint a promising picture.
No concrete policies and to give a speech on how not having policies is somehow a virtue, no less.
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I think of the Democrats, Andrew Yang of all people is leading that front. Though, I will have to concur with Tobias in that a good meme for a slogan can go far. "Feel the Bern", "I'm with Her", "Warren Has a Plan", etc.
>Buttgieg
Oh, don't get me started...
The things I could say about him. They're...not kind.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Apr 25th 2019 at 3:00:19 PM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerExactly!
Warren's a shoo-in if she can get people talking about her like she's the Batman of writing effective government policy!
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Do not actually call her the Batman of effective government policy. When spoken aloud, it sounds so dumb.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 25th 2019 at 1:03:25 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Buttiegieg is really damn low on my list at this point. Every new detail I learn about him just reinforces to me that he’s the worst sort of Democrat we could have in office, policy wise. Biden, Sanders, and Gabbard are down there with him, although Sanders is probably higher than the rest of them. I’d still vastly prefer Warren or Harris though.
Buttigieg would be such an improvement over what Donnelly was. That man ran attack ads against his own party for the 2018 midterms.
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If by "here" you mean these OTC forums, then yeah.
Edited by M84 on Apr 26th 2019 at 1:10:57 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised