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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#278302: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:43:43 AM

Pete managed to piss me off again, CNN hosted town halls last night with Klobuchar, Warren, Sanders, Harris, and Buttigieg. Warren absolutely killed it IMO; lots of substantive, direct answers.

Meanwhile, Pete said he thinks detailed policy promises are “inauthentic” and said we should talk values, not “drown people in minutiae.”

If I could breathe fire I would. POLICY SHOWS VALUES.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#278303: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:45:35 AM

Also commitment and hard work.

SteamKnight Since: Jun, 2018
#278304: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:47:11 AM

[up][up] That Pete's definition of authentic has got to be pretty weird.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#278305: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:49:40 AM

[up]I imagine he means that no policy the candidates presents during the campaign period will be applied as-is.

Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:51:01 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#278306: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:51:48 AM

Literally everyone knows that though, so his comment comes off as very dismissive and rude.

I can see why he’d want to avoid policy talk though, given the awful childcare tax credit he proposed.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#278307: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:52:19 AM

[up][up]Especially not after it gets put through amendment after amendment in Congress.

Still, not exactly a good look to immediately dismiss a primary opponent — someone you will inevitably need to get onboard in the general eiection — as "inauthentic".

Edited by M84 on Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:54:28 PM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#278308: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:54:55 AM

Still, not exactly a good look to immediately dismiss your primary opponent — someone you will inevitably need to get onboard in the general eiection — as "inauthentic".

To be fair to him, he didn't actually say that (going by wisewillow's description).

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#278309: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:56:14 AM

[up][up]It does show, however, that you understand the problem and has concrete ideas about how to solve it.

Which talk about values does not.

It's a pretty clear misdirection tactic.

Pity, the man seemed pretty promising when he first announced.

Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:56:35 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#278310: Apr 23rd 2019 at 4:56:27 AM

No, he just said that detailed policy promises are "inauthentic". And Warren is making those kinds of promises.

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#278311: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:02:24 AM

Warren’s entire thing is smart policy proposals; I took it as a dig at her as well as a defense of himself.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#278312: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:03:54 AM

Here's CNN's takeaway for Buttigieg's townhall btw:

Takeaways from Pete Buttigieg's CNN town hall

On a side note, it seems like Buttigieg and Pence have something of a feud going on.

"If me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade," Buttigieg said at the LGBTQ Victory Fund National Champagne Brunch in Washington earlier this month. "And that's the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand. That if you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me — your quarrel, sir, is with my creator."

Pence, during his time as governor of Indiana, signed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, a controversial bill that effectively allowed businesses to discriminate against gay customers.

In a subsequent interview with CNN, Pence said, "I hope that Pete will offer more to the American people than attacks on my Christian faith or attacks on the President as he seeks the highest office in the land," adding, "he'd do well to reflect on the importance of respecting the freedom of religion of every American."

Edited by M84 on Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:06:35 PM

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#278313: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:13:12 AM

Out of interest,who has the best brand recognition for a Democratic candidate? My answer would be either Bernie or Warren

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#278314: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:13:44 AM

Biden. Unfortunately.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#278315: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:13:58 AM

Definitely Bernie.

Even people who aren't interested in US politics seems to have heard of the man.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#278316: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:16:41 AM

Here's 538's current polls so far:

National level poll on the primary

Edited by M84 on Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:17:37 PM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#278317: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:18:03 AM

I still think polls are useless this far out.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#278318: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:19:37 AM

They said that about 2016's primaries as well, and look how that ended.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#278319: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:20:52 AM

It's premature, but everyone who isn't Biden or Sanders definitely has an uphill battle.

538 is also tracking the endorsements of the candidates.

You may or may not be surprised by who seems to be leading the pack here.

On another note, it seems like Sanders currently has the most endorsements from DNC members.

So much for the DNC being rigged against him.

Edited by M84 on Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:29:40 PM

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#278320: Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:53:01 AM

Buttigieg‘s feud with Pence is why I’d like to see him as a VP candidate, he looks his best when standing as an opposite to Pence.

Also on 538, they’re also speaking to early state activists about who they would like to win and also who they would dislike winning. The clear leader for being disliked is Gabbard, who a lot of activists not only don’t support but also actively oppose.

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#278321: Apr 23rd 2019 at 6:54:17 AM

Ugh. I hate that those two are our forerunners. I mean, I understand why. In addition to being the White Male Default, they both have a narrative behind them.

For Biden, it's "Would have beaten Trump in 2016 if he hadn't been too traumatized by his son's passing to run."

For Sanders, it's "Would have beaten Trump in 2016 if the DNC hadn't rigged the primary against him."

So for a lot of Democrats, this is the "third act" so to speak where one of these guys steps up out of the shadows that held him back, pounds his fists, and shows off the cool new techniques he's learned to defeat Trump once and for all.

But the problem is that they aren't action movie heroes ready for a thrilling climax. They're assholes who should be kept out of the Oval Office.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:54:52 AM

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#278322: Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:03:13 AM

What we heard about Buttigieg's positions the other day crushed my budding interest in seeing him run. Looking good in opposition to Pence is a very, very low bar to clear.

It's been fun.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#278323: Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:08:35 AM

Warren and Sanders basically are the two people who seem to be running on "what they'd do" versus who they are.

But the problem is that they aren't action movie heroes ready for a thrilling climax. They're assholes who should be kept out of the Oval Office.

Policy-wise, neither of them are bad.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:09:20 AM

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#278324: Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:09:15 AM

[up][up][up] How about Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016 had he won the democratic primaries and this is the chance to finally put that theory to the practical test or to rest?

Edited by Grafite on Apr 23rd 2019 at 3:09:46 PM

Life is unfair...
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#278325: Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:11:18 AM

I'm 100% for Bernie if he gets primaried.

There's very few I wouldn't be versus Trump.

I also point out a lot of people blame Bernie for his sour grapes fans. Bernie endorsed Hillary Clinton and sometimes got booed by his own voters for that. However, he said the important thing was beating Trump.

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