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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#277601: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:00:01 PM

I think you just kinda wrote off all the front runners, M84. The only candidates that come to mind left are Booker, Klobacher, Hickenlooper, and Inslee.

The former two have been constantly criticized in this thread while the latter two haven't risen up enough for anyone here to want to tear down.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#277602: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:01:22 PM

[up]I haven't written them off, with the exception of Biden I guess. Because we really don't need another President with a bad history when it comes to sexual harassment.

I just won't be ecstatic and popping champagne if any of them do become the candidate.

I'm still perfectly willing to vote for any of them come Election Day. Because any of them would be better than Trump.

Edited by M84 on Apr 17th 2019 at 12:02:35 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#277603: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:01:58 PM

At this point, Warren is probably the one I'd be happiest with. I was souring on her due to the whole native american controversy earlier, but compared to everyone's dirty laundry it doesn't seem AS bad.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#277604: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:03:11 PM

My least favorite Dem candidates are:

  • Beto
  • Biden
  • Sanders
  • Harris (no charisma and a lot of skeletons in her closet)
  • And on the absolute rock bottom, Gabbard

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#277605: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:03:26 PM

I find it hard to believe you had any [patience for Wall Street] in the first place.

I was raised conservative, as in my dad listened to Rush Limbaugh, I read an Ann Coulter book in high school on purpose, I’m pretty sure I voted for Mc Cain when I was 18, and I didn’t slowly shift until college.

I didn’t start hating Wall Street until, hmm... 3-5 years ago? For reference, I’m 29.

Edited by wisewillow on Apr 16th 2019 at 9:04:25 AM

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#277606: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:03:34 PM

Uh, are we doing preferred candidates? Warren tops my list, not because I think she's perfect or even great but because she clears most of the low hanging bars I have for what I'd like candidates to do (i.e. she can apologize and seems to at least acknowledge social justice issues, something that should be standard but apparently isn't). It gets murkier past that. Issue is, candidates like Andrew Gillium or Stacy Abrams aren't running so I can't nominate them, otherwise they'd probably be next.

Buttgieg, Biden, and finally Gabbard are my bottom three candidates right now.

[up]x3 Essentially that.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Apr 16th 2019 at 12:03:55 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#277607: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:03:38 PM

I feel similarly on Warren - she’s not perfect, but I think she’s the best we’ve got.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#277608: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:03:49 PM

[up][up]TBH, the Native American thing wasn't actually the biggest red flag for me. It was the moment she said on camera that she agreed that the DNC rigged the primaries.

Edited by M84 on Apr 17th 2019 at 12:03:57 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#277609: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:04:28 PM

Seems sad that we're preemptively killing our enthusiasm for our own candidate. Doesn't seem the best way to get the rest of the country mobilized to win.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#277610: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:05:02 PM

[up][up] As you’ve made clear, and I still think you need to let that go.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Apr 16th 2019 at 12:05:22 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#277611: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:05:27 PM

[up][up]I'm not going to lie to myself or others and pretend that these aren't problems with the candidate. I didn't do that with HRC and I'm not going to do that now.

Edited by M84 on Apr 17th 2019 at 12:05:35 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#277612: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:05:40 PM

[up]x4 I could have sworn that I've said this, but it really doesn't matter anymore to most people I've seen. Not to mention that she walked it back very quickly, so she recognized a mistake early on without digging herself deeper.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Apr 16th 2019 at 12:05:48 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#277613: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:06:19 PM

Being honest, my only real criteria at this point are "competent and capable of unseating Trump".

Having the most progressive candidate in the world doesn't mean jack if they can't get elected in the first place, and a moderate candidate who can do the job is still going to be an improvement, even if not as much as a more progressive candidate might be. This isn't a special election where coming close to winning is good enough. 2020 is what all that momentum has been for.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 16th 2019 at 10:07:30 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#277614: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:07:04 PM

[up][up]What bothers me is that people here have tried to pretend it didn't happen at all. We had someone here try to claim it didn't happen, and I had to post a vid of her saying it to prove otherwise.

Saying it's not a big deal is one thing. Trying to pretend it didn't happen? That's another thing entirely.

[up]In that case the question is more "Who is the most electable candidate?" rather than who is the "best" candidate.

In that case, I'd probably have to go with Sanders or Biden. I don't like either of them, but it's probably going to be one of them who wins the primaries.

Edited by M84 on Apr 17th 2019 at 12:09:42 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#277615: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:09:05 PM

Or someone had a bad memory and you assumed the worst.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#277616: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:09:24 PM

For me, I've always kind of taken as a given that people in position to be elected President are more likely than not to have some black marks against them.

Not to say it isn't better that they don't, or it's wrong to have personal lines, but I imagine that's why most of the things people reasonably take issues with all of the candidates haven't actually affected me that much.

I guess if I were making preferences right now it would be Warren, and then either Harris or Gillibrand.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#277617: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:11:10 PM

[up]x3 Cool. I recognize that it happened. On the list of things to worry about in a candidate though, with sexual harassment, mistreatment of staffers, legit dictator apologia, and egos the size of Manhattan clashing, and even her own...issues (to put it somewhat mildly) with Native American issues, if someone briefly lashed out against a system thought fairly widely at the time to be unfair it is nowhere near the top of my list of priorities, nor even really a factor at all. Materially, it does not affect her as a candidate.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Apr 16th 2019 at 12:11:59 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#277618: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:11:48 PM

In truth, I probably would pick Warren over Sanders and Biden anyway. Because despite my misgivings, I do think she's better than either of them.

I still kind of hope it doesn't come to that...but it probably will.

Edited by M84 on Apr 17th 2019 at 12:15:02 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#277619: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:17:13 PM

Warren's the candidate I'd most like to see as president. I kinda prefer Gillibrand's positions, but the rhetoric she's been using in her campaign has me worried about how effectual she'd be

I feel like Harris would actually have the best chance of beating Trump, though

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#277620: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:18:20 PM

I don't imagine it mattering that much, I guess, which is good if Warren becomes the candidate since Donald is just going to keep bringing it up ad nauseaum. If that's the worst he can do, all the better. At least she's someone the democratic base will probably rally around and be excited for, which is desperately something that's needed right now.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#277621: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:21:33 PM

I will say that I’m warming up on Sanders somewhat. He wouldn’t be my first choice, and it’s not like I don’t have issues with him, but I don’t think I’d mind voting for him if it came to it.

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#277622: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:21:40 PM

I don't fully understand what "Wall Street" as a political force means, to be honest. Like, I know it's a physical location where the stock market lives. But when people say "Cozying up to Wall Street" or "Trying to take on Wall Street", I get a bit lost.

Like. If we're "taking on Wall Street", are we talking about fighting corporations generically?

Fighting shareholders and the publicly-traded economic philosophy?

Dismantling the stock market itself?

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#277623: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:23:27 PM

[up][up]Between the "old white guy" candidates I'd rather have Sanders than Biden, at least.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#277624: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:24:19 PM

[up][up]At best it's acknowledging the need for regulation (and better enforcement of said regulation) of the financial industry. To prevent the systemic problems that culminated in things like the 2008 banking crisis.

At worst it's anti-elite populist rhetoric.

Warren leans more towards the former, though she has at times edged a bit too close to the latter for my comfort. Which is in part why her "DNC rigged primaries" crap bothered me — it also reeked of anti-elite populism.

[up]Same here. Sanders at least doesn't have a known track record of groping women.

Edited by M84 on Apr 17th 2019 at 12:26:52 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#277625: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:26:34 PM

I use Wall Street as shorthand for the biggest corporations and the hedge funds/investor class.


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