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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#276726: Apr 7th 2019 at 1:36:59 PM

I’ve actually heard arguments, from professional hairdressers, mind you, that the licenses exist for a reason. You don’t want to hire a hairdresser who doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#276727: Apr 7th 2019 at 1:40:06 PM

When you read about a nonsensical rule, your first question shouldn't be "What idiot comes up with rules like these?", but "What incident made this rule necessary?"

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#276728: Apr 7th 2019 at 1:40:23 PM

@Charles: That is the story you may have come to, but not the one people in general have coalesced around, certainly not me. Too bad we'll never get a trial to clear it up because of a misconduct of justice.

Life is unfair...
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#276729: Apr 7th 2019 at 2:38:18 PM

Nunes sending eight criminal referrals to Attorney General William Barr

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/devin-nunes-justice-department/index.html

California Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday he was planning to send eight criminal referrals to Attorney General William Barr as soon as this week. Nunes, who investigated accusations of FBI and Department of Justice abuse while he was previously chairman of the intelligence panel, did not say who he would be referring in a Fox News interview on Sunday.

Appearing on Fox's "Sunday Morning Futures," Nunes said five of the referrals are related to lying to Congress, misleading Congress and leaking classified information. The other referrals, Nunes said, are allegations of lying to the FISA court that approves foreign surveillance warrants, manipulating intelligence and what he described as a "global leak referral," which Nunes said wasn't tied to one individual.

"We couldn't really send these criminal referrals over without an Attorney General in place, so we are prepared this week to notify the Attorney General that we are prepared to send those referrals over and brief him if he wishes to be briefed. We think they're pretty clear, but as of right now this is, this may not be all of them, but this cleans up quite a bit. We have eight referrals that we are prepared to send over to the Attorney General this week," Nunes said.

Criminal referrals from Congress to the Justice Department are effectively requests for a criminal investigation from the Justice Department and the FBI.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#276730: Apr 7th 2019 at 2:44:19 PM

DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen is meeting with Trump and expected to resign, CBS News reports.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#276731: Apr 7th 2019 at 2:57:21 PM

Why? Did she do the job poorly, or is this just another cog in the mechanism of the administration's distraction machine?

Do not obey in advance.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#276732: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:08:06 PM

She's doing exactly what he's been telling her to do. Its just all ineffective at best or a horrible violation of decency and civil rights at worst that's just blown up in Trump's face.

Aaand, she's out. Just got the update that she'll be "stepping down."

Edited by Parable on Apr 7th 2019 at 4:21:34 AM

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#276733: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:27:47 PM

By Freya's tits, this administration has a worse turnover rate than a goddamn Mc Donalds.

RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#276734: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:40:18 PM

Or the Galactic Empire.

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#276735: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:42:55 PM

Not unexpected, Trump is not someone that inspires loyalty.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#276736: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:52:11 PM

Trump inspires tons of loyalty for some reason. He's just terrible at giving it back.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#276737: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:39:18 PM

California Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday he was planning to send eight criminal referrals to Attorney General William Barr as soon as this week. Nunes, who investigated accusations of FBI and Department of Justice abuse while he was previously chairman of the intelligence panel, did not say who he would be referring in a Fox News interview on Sunday.

Appearing on Fox's "Sunday Morning Futures," Nunes said five of the referrals are related to lying to Congress, misleading Congress and leaking classified information. The other referrals, Nunes said, are allegations of lying to the FISA court that approves foreign surveillance warrants, manipulating intelligence and what he described as a "global leak referral," which Nunes said wasn't tied to one individual.

My guess is that at least one of those people will be Comey. The Republicans have wanting to get him on 'leaking classified information' grounds for a while. They've also said they want to get Cohen on 'lying to Congress' and they've wanted Carter Page on 'lying to FISA' (about the Steele dossier).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 7th 2019 at 12:48:03 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#276738: Apr 7th 2019 at 7:13:33 PM

saw this come up.

A New York man is in custody after having been arrested and charged with threatening to assault and murder Rep. Ilhan Omar, according to the US Attorney's Office for the Western District of New York.

Patrick W. Carlineo, Jr., 55, of Addison, New York, threatened to kill Omar because of her Muslim faith, according to a criminal complaint and accompanying affidavit.

Omar, a Minnesota Democrat, is one of the first two Muslim women serving in Congress after being elected in the 2018 midterms.

A call was placed to Omar's Washington, DC, office on March 21, an FBI agent stated in the affidavit.

During the call, an individual, who identified himself as Pat Carlineo, said to a staff member: "Do you work for the Muslim Brotherhood? Why are you working for her, she's a (expletive) terrorist. I'll put a bullet in her (expletive) skull."

Omar's office referred the threat to the US Capitol Police, which began an investigation with the FBI.

Carlineo sounded angry during the call but provided the spelling of his name and contact information, the affidavit said.

He was later interviewed by authorities where he stated that he was a patriot, that he loves President Donald Trump, and "that he hates radical Muslims in our government," the affidavit stated.

He had initially claimed he had told Omar's office, "If our forefathers were still alive, they'd put a bullet in her head."

When shown an email with the quote from the call regarding calling Omar a "terrorist" and threatening to kill her, Carlineo first replied that is not what he had said, according to the affidavit.

He later admitted to authorities he may have said something like that but was unsure.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#276739: Apr 7th 2019 at 7:35:45 PM

Carlineo sounded angry during the call but provided the spelling of his name and contact information, the affidavit said.

Silver lining, at least he made it easy to catch him.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#276740: Apr 7th 2019 at 7:53:29 PM

Yes, Trump has fanatics in his services and tons of people who have thrown their entire lives behind him.

And he discards them like tissues.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#276741: Apr 7th 2019 at 8:01:04 PM

Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people. Alternately, if you hitch your wagon to a selfish bastard of a star, don't be surprised when he kicks your ass out somewhere in the asteroid belt.

It's been fun.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276742: Apr 7th 2019 at 8:04:19 PM

[up][up][up]Of course he cooperated. He didn't think anything bad would happen to a white man for threatening a Muslim Somalian-American woman.

Edited by M84 on Apr 7th 2019 at 11:05:13 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#276743: Apr 7th 2019 at 8:56:38 PM

...And Chelsea Clinton and Meghan Mccain's responses to this violent act of Islamophobia caused by the dogwhistling ideas brought to the table by people like them are? Nothing.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276744: Apr 7th 2019 at 9:01:04 PM

[up]I was wondering when someone would try to work in some Clinton paranoia here.

Seriously, a Trump supporting bigot issues a death threat to a Democratic Representative, and your first response is to try to blame this on Chelsea Clinton?

Edited by M84 on Apr 8th 2019 at 12:08:00 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#276745: Apr 7th 2019 at 9:21:26 PM

[up]x6. These people are idiots in the first degree.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#276746: Apr 7th 2019 at 9:25:19 PM

What does Chelsea Clinton have to do with this? What does she have to do with anything? Did I miss something where she suddenly became a relevant person in the world?

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#276748: Apr 7th 2019 at 9:47:20 PM

Clinton and Mccain have helped bring Islamophobic arguments (in the name of Israel and the Zionist movement) into the mainstream, and honestly they should be held accountable for that.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276749: Apr 7th 2019 at 9:51:13 PM

<Trump supporter makes bigoted death threat towards a Muslim>

"It's Chelsea Clinton's fault! Because we all know Trump supporters listen to Chelsea Clinton!"

Edited by M84 on Apr 8th 2019 at 12:51:22 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#276750: Apr 7th 2019 at 9:51:22 PM

Yes, because it was Chelsea Clinton who really ignited the firestorm of Islamophobia in the United States. I don't see how anyone could say differently, after all her hateful and ignorant comments, the unconstitutional and discriminatory travel bans she implemented, and all the harmful rhetoric she's spewed from the highest office in the country for the last three years.

Oh. Wait, I've just been informed that all of that was not Chelsea Clinton, but was in fact Donald Trump. Easy mistake to make, though, clearly.

It's been fun.

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