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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#276576: Apr 5th 2019 at 10:51:38 AM

[up]Alternatively, "what is wrong with you?". :/

Edit: Well, ain't that a cryptic topper? Tough tackies! winktongue

Edited by Euodiachloris on Apr 5th 2019 at 6:53:22 PM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#276577: Apr 5th 2019 at 10:52:33 AM

[up][awesome] I would love someone to say that to the proposal after it is officially presented for debate.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#276578: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:06:53 AM

Sometimes laughing in their face is the only productive.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#276579: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:19:27 AM

So apparently Assange is on the verge of getting kicked out of the embassy, which has British police now surrounding the building in expectation of it.

And funny enough, it's allegedly because he bit the hand that feeds him:

In a post on the organization's legal defense blog, WikiLeaks claimed that the move was punishment for Assange's alleged involvement in the leak of the INA Papers, which implicated [Ecuadorian President Lenin] Moreno in corruption schemes.

[down]

Well, the guy has made an enemy of a fair few global powers, plus there's the notion that he might try sneaking away in some form or other (have a bunch of white guys dressed in a similar manner all exit at once, etc.) that could be too complex for just a couple of beat cops. And that said, I may be mischaracterizing the situation - the article just says "Officers with London's metropolitan police department were stationed outside the embassy Friday morning".

Edited by ironballs16 on Apr 5th 2019 at 2:28:10 PM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#276580: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:19:47 AM

And sometimes no response is the best response

You have learn how not to feed them attention,don't ignore them because the problem won't go away but you can starve them of attention by denying a response that they crave

edit:

> which has British police now surrounding the building in expectation of it.

Is that really necessary?It's one guy to my knowledge,you need maybe two officers to issue an arrest as he's unceremoniously booted out,but an entire squad surrounding the place is overkill

Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 5th 2019 at 6:22:50 PM

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#276581: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:24:08 AM

[up]He could still, you know, run away.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#276582: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:25:17 AM

Say it shouldn't be punished period?

Precisely. The correct counter-move is to keep the conversation fixed squarely on the part where he says abortion-seekers should be jailed and avoid the bait that is the "99 years" part.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 5th 2019 at 12:25:37 PM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#276583: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:28:02 AM

Him running off is a non-trivial risk. Escaping from 2 police officers is relatively doable. Might as well just surround the area with the British equivalent of a SWAT team. Plus, it's not like there's much reason not too.

Leviticus 19:34
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#276584: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:28:36 AM

> [up]He could still, you know, run away.

He could,but where's he going to run when he's wanted man and everyone is out for him?

[up]A Swat team is even more unnecessary.it's not like he actually poses a threat that they need back up,it's how accidents happen

Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 5th 2019 at 6:29:45 PM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#276585: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:31:57 AM

Well, you can do simple Clark Kenting things and stay on the run to avoid capture for a prolonged period of time.

For that matter, what's the down side of overkill? Are the police needed elsewhere?

Leviticus 19:34
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#276586: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:37:40 AM

Given a choice between Biden and Trump, I...

...will weep for the state of our union....

...and then vote Biden.

I think the whole forum feels the same way. Barring one or two who would vote Biden because they think he's "more electable" than anyone else.
Remember, [Wray]'s a DOJ lifer, and has actually demonstrated how far he's willing to go for his agency, several times over.
Has he actually done anything against white nationalists? Or just said, "Yeah, they're some bad people."?
I don't see it getting passed for obvious reasons but that someone actually thought it was a really good idea astounds me
1) It's Alabama, so the odds of it getting passed aren't impossible; 2) Loads of conservatives think it's a great idea to literally put women to death for getting an abortion; in their minds it's only liberal sluts who get abortions, not good conservative Christian girls, so no one who matters will get harmed.
what's the down side of overkill? Are the police needed elsewhere?
Uh, yeah? London is a major metropolitan area, and while it has a lower crime rate than, say, Chicago, that doesn't mean there aren't more productive uses for the bobbies than putting 50 of them in a cordon around the embassy.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#276587: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:41:09 AM

Personally, I suspect there could have been uproar at the straw-selection phase. Everybody wants to see the smug git try to scarper and everybody wants a crack at possibly arresting him for resisting arrest.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#276588: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:51:35 AM

Couple things

1) As I edited above, I may have mischaracterized it - I haven't seen photos of the scene around the embassy, so I've no idea how many officers have been dispatched in response to the new situation with Assange.

2) As to why overkill might be needed, how many years has Assange been using the embassy as sanctuary? And the guy's in the intel business - what are the odds that he may have managed to obtain a fake passport to use and/or altered his appearance enough to slip the net and flee to, say, Russia? We're not exactly talking about a halfwit here, and Russia would be more than willing to give him aid as a big middle finger to the Western powers.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
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A procrastination in of itself
#276589: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:52:54 AM

Yeah the Met have been cut pretty brutally the last few years and we’ve seen a surge in stabbing, we kinda need every officer we can get (well not enough to drop the unaided vision requirement, but that’s a whole other story...)

Odds on however it will just take two officers to grab him, they’ll just check everyone who leaves, if there’s a back door they maybe need another pair to cover that but that’s it.

Man I hope the Swedes are finally able to get the bastard.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#276590: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:10:06 PM

A judge in Maryland blocked Trump's citizenship question on the census.

And for some reason Kirstin Gillibrand really got the right wing media in a frenzy. Almost all the most recent articles about her are from those suspects bashing her for some reason or another.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#276591: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:19:39 PM

> Odds on however it will just take two officers to grab him

Now I'm imagining PC Nicholas Angel and PC Swan trying to catch him with a net

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A procrastination in of itself
#276592: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:27:34 PM

[up][up] Gillibrand is credited with bringing down Fraken, that’s made her a number of enemies amongst powerful men within both parties.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#276593: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:37:22 PM

Which is strange, considering that Franken's scandal(s) were snowballing out of control even before she stepped in. He was toast regardless. But, she spoke out, so she must be silenced, etc, etc.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#276594: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:37:52 PM

[up][up][up]Oh yes [lol]

Edited by akanesarumara on Apr 5th 2019 at 9:45:04 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#276595: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:39:34 PM

Which is strange, considering that Franken's scandal(s) were snowballing out of control even before she stepped in. He was toast regardless. But, she spoke out, so she must be silenced, etc, etc.

Eh, it's not that strange. Gillibrand was seen as leading the charge and thus was strongly associated with the results.

I imagine the powerful (men) on the Democratic side see her as being guilty of eating one of her own, fucking scum.

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#276596: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:40:34 PM

He could,but where's he going to run when he's wanted man and everyone is out for him?

Russia.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#276597: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:45:00 PM

If he runs to Russia they'll welcome him with open arms,he'll then have an accident and disappear,they used him but now he's liability to them

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#276598: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:49:24 PM

He’d still have to get there, which would require him getting to an airport on foot with a valid passport and ticket.

He has also been more or less confined to a small room for years, his stamina was probably never that great to begin with. I can’t see him trying to pull a runner.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#276599: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:50:21 PM

[up][up]

I kind of doubt that - he could easily be used on various news programs to solidify how awful the West is (keep in mind that Russian media genuinely mocks the Me Too movement, and Assange is accused of a sex crime), as well as a means to get information out there and published, and they can mix disinformation of their own in at will through the platform.

[up]

Depending on how invested the Russians may be with him, they could rather easily abet his escape - furnish the false documents, help him disguise himself, etc.

[down]

Possible, but having a useful idiot with established connections might be viewed as worth more in the long run. Definitely a Risk/Reward calculation for Putin on this one.

Edited by ironballs16 on Apr 5th 2019 at 4:06:59 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#276600: Apr 5th 2019 at 1:00:27 PM

Alternative, the Russians might let the Swedes and/or the Americans have him. He is useless now, but he could be used as a (living) martyr of "Western Arbitrary Justice".

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