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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276176: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:31:50 PM

It's bullshit to have a restaurant that closes on Sundays in an airport anyway.

Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2019 at 12:33:30 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#276177: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:32:33 PM

[up][up][up] Right, except she opposes the system on principal. That means that the entire system is the issue, and its history of use, not just specifically this one Grand Jury. And as most other grand juries don't necessarily relate to wikileaks, it would be charitable to assume that she was not referring specifically to them.

[up][up] Good.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Mar 31st 2019 at 12:33:13 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276178: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:35:14 PM

[up]That would just justify the charge of contempt of court the judge placed on her. If she's really doing this due to having genuine contempt for the whole court system...

I think most judges would slam someone with contempt of court for this.

Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2019 at 12:37:45 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#276179: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:39:12 PM

[up] That would still not justify the pseudo-solitary they threw her in. I'm sorry, but no. Even if she's doing it because she genuinely disagrees with how the justice system works, which she is, that does not justify putting her back into her own private hell.

... I'm logging out of On-Topic for now, I think. I need a break.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Mar 31st 2019 at 12:41:20 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276180: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:44:21 PM

[up]The administrative segregation is ostensibly meant for Manning's own safety. This is apparently SOP for "high-profile" detainees such as Manning for that facility.

Now as mentioned earlier, Manning's own supporters are objecting to this by arguing that she's not a danger to other inmates (almost certainly true) and that the other inmates are not a danger to her (...this one's a bit murkier).

Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2019 at 12:45:32 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#276181: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:48:11 PM

There’s ways to protect an inmate besides “administrative segregation” (c’mon, it’s solitary). If she herself prefers taking her chances on getting assaulted versus staying in solitary, I think that’s a pretty damning indictment of how bad solitary is

Edited by wisewillow on Mar 31st 2019 at 12:48:44 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276182: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:51:01 PM

[up]The caveat is that, unlike solitary confinement inmates, Manning is allowed visitors in the facility. Which is probably why the sheriff objects to her treatment being called solitary confinement.

Now, if her health has deteriorated to the point that she's vomiting, a case can and should be made that the facility is failing in its duty to take care of a detainee's well-being. Manning is their responsibility. At the very least she needs to have a doctor examine her.

Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2019 at 12:52:55 AM

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Imca (Veteran)
#276183: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:53:40 PM

While I agree that it is justified to hold her in contempt this time, I think your missing the point.

Even with visitors, most of the time she was alone, separated from every one... in her own room.

That's solitary, and that isn't justified.

Just like torture with breaks is still torture.

Edited by Imca on Mar 31st 2019 at 9:54:31 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#276184: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:53:54 PM

[up][up] At least part of the issue is that the sudden switch from being alone to being with people is traumatic to her, yes? In that case, the technicality strikes me as irrelevant - whether she receives visitors or not, forcing her to be alone for extended periods of time is negatively affecting her health.

[nja]

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Mar 31st 2019 at 12:55:52 PM

Oh God! Natural light!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#276185: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:54:06 PM

How long has this been going on?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276186: Mar 31st 2019 at 9:54:57 PM

[up][up]It's also possible that there could be something else wrong with her that is causing the nausea. Hence the need for a professional medical examination asap.

[up]Several weeks now. Yeah, it's been a while.

This situation seems to be something of a clash between individual egos and pride. Manning's pride, the judge's pride, and the sheriff's pride. Manning refuses to capitulate and cooperate, the judge refuses to let disrespect for the court stand, and the sheriff refuses to acknowledge any failings of the facility.

Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2019 at 1:19:32 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#276187: Mar 31st 2019 at 11:10:21 PM

The problem is that I’ve yet to see a solution to this that doesn’t either declare Manning above the law, or put her life at risk. The idea that she wouldn’t be murdered the moment she was put in general population is absurd, she’s transgender, does anyone really think that the population of a local jail are going to be more progressive than the general American population (who already have an alarming tendency to murder and transgender people they come into contact with)? That’s before touching on the fact that she’s widely thought of as a traitor and is in there for defending an internationally wanted rapist.

  • She can’t be let go without declaring her above the law.
  • She can’t be put in general population without getting murdered.
  • Shes can’t be left where she is without great suffering.

It’s a shitty situation all around, thing is it’s also one she has control of. Long term we can try and change the way American perceive transgender people so that they’re not at a high risk of being murdered in prison, but that’s not fixable overnight.

[up] The guy in charge of the jail seems to have more concern for her life than she does, so he gets some props for that.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276188: Mar 31st 2019 at 11:12:34 PM

One possible solution would be to post more guards to escort her while she mingles with the rest of the inmates. But that has its own complications. And it would probably be stressful on Manning to constantly have someone looking over her shoulder like that.

Disgusted, but not surprised
golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#276189: Mar 31st 2019 at 11:18:31 PM

Biden is saying that he doesn't believe he acted inappropriately. Which is the exact fucking problem.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#276190: Mar 31st 2019 at 11:19:28 PM

Yeah and socialisation with guards won’t work (even if we can dodge the risk of guards attacking her the same as inmates would), the best I can come up with is greatly increased visititation for her as a way to combat some of the impact of being in solitary.

[up] CNN seem to be editorialising slightly, he’s saying that he didn’t intent to but is going to listen if women say he did, which shows he’s at least willing to learn.

Edited by Silasw on Mar 31st 2019 at 6:21:58 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#276191: Apr 1st 2019 at 5:18:01 AM

I heard from the news that economic assistance to El Salvador, Honduras and IIRC Guatemala are cut off.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#276192: Apr 1st 2019 at 6:56:57 AM

The three "Mexican states" as Fox News called them.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276193: Apr 1st 2019 at 6:58:45 AM

[up] ...Yeah, I expected as much from FOX News.

Disgusted, but not surprised
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#276194: Apr 1st 2019 at 6:59:24 AM

A quote from Crash springs to mind:

"You want a lesson? I'll give you a lesson. How 'bout a geography lesson? My father's from Puerto Rico. My mother's from El Salvador. Neither one of those is Mexico."

Edited by speedyboris on Apr 1st 2019 at 8:59:32 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#276195: Apr 1st 2019 at 7:01:27 AM

... Fox News: more racist than goddamn Crash.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#276196: Apr 1st 2019 at 7:05:10 AM

Less based in reality too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#276197: Apr 1st 2019 at 7:14:46 AM

The subpoena is going to be authorized

Though I could see an authorised version being covered in black bars,all except the title and the report's author

Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 1st 2019 at 2:21:59 PM

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#276198: Apr 1st 2019 at 7:46:43 AM

Best possible outcome of all of this: Barr releases his redacted version and then the subpoena goes through and forces him to release the unredacted version, allowing the House to clearly identify every word that Barr tried to conceal. If he can be proven to have attempted to use redaction to protect Trump, this can then be used in a case against him.

Worst possible outcome of all of this: Barr releases his redacted version and the subpoena gets nuked by something something legal something political something something. Trump is, after all, a master of just openly doing shit, being heavily criticized for how brazenly criminal he is, and then just getting away with it and moving on to further crimes.

Teflon Don has been above the law since the day he was born.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#276199: Apr 1st 2019 at 8:26:46 AM

[up] Adding to this, I feel like this is the "loophole presidency". That is, Trump wants to do something, people tell him he can't do that as president, then his lawyers or some level of court that agrees with him finds a loophole that allows him to do it anyway.

He's trying to see how much he can get away with in his quest to be a dictator.

Edited by speedyboris on Apr 1st 2019 at 10:27:25 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#276200: Apr 1st 2019 at 8:39:53 AM

> He's trying to see how much he can get away with in his quest to be a dictator.

some would say he succeeded his quest when he became president as it gave him presidential authority,he's able to behave like a tyrant but his rule is legitimised in his supporter's eyes by the election.

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