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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#275826: Mar 26th 2019 at 5:32:31 PM

Dr. Insano for 2020!

Edited by CookingCat on Mar 26th 2019 at 5:35:19 AM

Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#275827: Mar 26th 2019 at 5:35:59 PM

Voting present is going to be argued (incorrectly, but when has that stopped anyone?) to be them not really believing in their own bill.

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#275828: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:14:15 PM

Then what is the intent behind merely voting present?

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#275829: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:15:53 PM

To avoid putting their names as being for or against, which is what the turtle was trying to make them do. It's a three way morton's fork.

Edited by Soban on Mar 26th 2019 at 9:16:18 AM

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#275830: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:28:20 PM

If that was their intent, it also seems to be kind of a 'fuck you' to Mitch as well. In any case, one guy got interviewed on the news about an hour ago (And I have already forgotten his name, sorry) said he voted present because he believed the whole thing to be a farce on the part of the Republicans. Which, considering the Republicans evidently did things like hold up pictures of Aquaman and one of those memetic pieces of President Reagan on a raptor which was holding an American flag (There's some series someone did of presidents riding cool animals and wielding weapons) and disallowed the testimony of scientists and other experts on the subjects touched on in the GND, well, the guy's not wrong.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#275831: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:37:25 PM

Was it even a vote on the GND? As far as I’m aware the GND isn’t a bill, it’s a set of goals/guidelines, Turtle will have to have made it into a bill, which means they didn’t vote on the GND, they voted on Turtle’s interpretation of the GND, which is something not worth bothering to vote on.

As for 2020, remember, Clinton probably would have won if not for Comey, more than Russian interference it was Comey that threw the election to Trump.

There won’t be a Comey in 2020, and we should all be thankful for that fact.

As for third party candidates, I can respect if a person honestly feels that the third party candidate best represents their views. But seeing as the Greens are anti-intellectual Russians puppets and the Libertarians are Republican light I can’t see a reason for anyone who isn’t basically a Republican anyway to vote third party.

So I totally endorse Soban voting third party.

Edited by Silasw on Mar 26th 2019 at 1:39:30 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#275832: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:40:35 PM

I'm saying don't vote blindly in the primaries, actually read up on how Republicans and Democrats alike react to these candidates.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#275833: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:42:31 PM

No one here is advocating voting blindly, so this is coming from where, exactly?

i'm tired, my friend
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#275834: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:56:16 PM

I mean, if, for whatever reason, you were inclined to vote blindly in primaries, how would you even go about that? Like, normally people use that phrase to mean 'only consider party affiliation', but that's obviously not an option in a primary.

Would you just vote for whoever happens to be at the top of the ballot? Or maybe you'd roll a die and vote accordingly? You have to do something weird along those lines to vote blind in primary. So, like, definitely nobody advocated for doing that, and I don't know why you'd bring it up.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#275835: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:02:46 PM

I’d like to note that some people (not normally enough to matter) do just vote for the first or last name on the ballot, voters can be real stupid some times.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#275836: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:11:36 PM

Only for for the Democrat with six letters in their last name. That should give you a clear candidate.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#275837: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:13:03 PM

Vote in the primaries to pick which Dem you want.

But in the general, I don’t care if it’s Joe goddamn Biden (I HATE him), you vote for the Dem. I’d rather raise hell at Biden’s condescending centrist ass for 4 years than have 4 more years of Trump stacking the federal courts with LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS.

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#275838: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:20:09 PM

[up] Funnily enough, Dr. Insano up there is a Democrat. At least he's pro-science.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#275839: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:31:45 PM

Speaking of Biden, he rips 'white man's culture,' regrets Anita Hill hearing.

Well, I guess we'll see how genuine that is in coming months, maybe?

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#275840: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:31:50 PM

Man, between the Mueller summary, the Pentagon’s approval of wall funds, and now the defeat of the GND, the Republicans are just on a roll this week.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#275841: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:33:08 PM

They didn’t defeat the GND, they help a symbolic vote saying that they don’t like it, that’s not a defeat.

Edited by Silasw on Mar 26th 2019 at 2:33:23 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#275842: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:48:26 PM

[up]x3 At least Biden apologized for his role in those hearings (not sure if I fully believe he's sincere in his apology though). Still would rather him not run for President, but with these comments and the apology, I think he's going to try to run as Left as he can before announcing his Candidacy.

If he is sincere, though, then I'd be much more willing to vote for Biden (I'm voting for the Dem no matter what, even if it's Gabbard).

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#275843: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:59:52 PM

He “apologized” by saying he wished he could have done something.

HE WAS THE COMMITTEE CHAIR.

HE’S the one who decided to only call witnesses who said Thomas was a good boss, and not the MULTIPLE OTHER WOMEN who also said Thomas harassed them when he was their boss.

Biden can take that insincere bullshit apology and shove it up his [redacted]

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#275844: Mar 26th 2019 at 11:23:52 PM

Trump, meanwhile, tweeted that "The Republican Party will become 'The Party of Healthcare!'"

Okay, Trump, ball's in your court. Tell us your brilliant plan for Trumpcare.

The nation's listening.

ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
a
#275845: Mar 26th 2019 at 11:32:42 PM

Step One: Repeal Obamacare!

Step Two: Pat yourself on the back and bask in the adulation of Republican bootlickers!

Step Three: What Step Three?

Edited by ITNW1989 on Mar 26th 2019 at 11:32:53 AM

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#275846: Mar 27th 2019 at 12:03:55 AM

I don't even know what the Green New Deal is exactly about. All of the coverage of it seemed to focus on "one group for it, other group against it, will it damage the group which is for it".

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#275847: Mar 27th 2019 at 12:19:29 AM

[up]Spend 1 trillion over ten years to make the US carbon neutral while improving social and economic justice. It wasn't a specific policy proposal.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#275848: Mar 27th 2019 at 12:21:17 AM

Spend or loan. That's an important unknown/distinction that needs to be made.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#275849: Mar 27th 2019 at 12:24:27 AM

Its a very good idea but one that would be very easy to fuck up.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#275850: Mar 27th 2019 at 12:33:47 AM

[up]As opposed to just fucking up, which is the most easy thing in the world.


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