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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#275476: Mar 24th 2019 at 1:11:54 PM

It also says that Mueller could not determine whether Trump's actions later constituted obstruction of justice and left it up the Attorney General to decide.

Which Barr decides they don't in the very next sentence.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#275477: Mar 24th 2019 at 1:14:25 PM

Well surprise-surprise on that.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#275478: Mar 24th 2019 at 1:17:04 PM

This is only based on the summary Barr released
This seems like a very important qualifier to apply here.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#275479: Mar 24th 2019 at 1:20:50 PM

Yeah. You can bet Congress is going to demand the full report sooner than later. This is far from over.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#275480: Mar 24th 2019 at 1:25:24 PM

And this is only the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election (with some related tangents included for practicality), right? IINM Mueller is overseeing other investigations that could potentially incriminate Trump but aren't as obvious as the aforementioned one (thus why they're not as "high-profile" and widely spoken of); which ones were they, again?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#275482: Mar 24th 2019 at 1:36:58 PM

[up]I believe the starting gun for that request was Mueller clocking off to get that celebratory meal.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#275483: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:06:40 PM

I'm not surprised. There's probably not enough to prove that Trump himself colluded. But holy hell, he sure DOESN'T have "the best people". Manafort, Stone, Cohen...

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#275484: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:12:23 PM

I'm not surprised. There's probably not enough to prove that Trump himself colluded. But holy hell, he sure DOESN'T have "the best people". Manafort, Stone, Cohen...

Exactly, I'm not really moved by that information. Trump doesn't have to personally collude to be surrounded by criminal and colloquially traitorous people, not to mention all the other ways he's awful.

No, Trump is still scum and this changes little.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 24th 2019 at 2:12:37 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#275485: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:14:49 PM

It’s a complete victory for the GOP from an aesthetic standpoint though. The MSM outlets are filled with flashy “Trump is not guilty” headlines, which will be more than enough to sway the significant numbers of pseudo-centrist voters to the Republicans.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#275486: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:17:16 PM

It’s a complete victory for the GOP from an aesthetic standpoint though. The MSM outlets are filled with flashy “Trump is not guilty” headlines, which will be more than enough to sway the significant numbers of pseudo-centrist voters to the Republicans.

Can we not make serious unfounded claims?

Maybe it will be, or maybe it won't. Considering how consistently unpopular Trump has been and his... Trumpness I think making assumptions about what "significant numbers of pseudo-centrist voters" will or won't do at this juncture is foolish. We simply don't know.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Imca (Veteran)
#275487: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:18:53 PM

[up][up]Can confirm about that, on places that aren't quite as left sided as we are, that has been the talk since yesterday.

"Huh, it turns out Trump really is innocent and it was all just a witch hunt"

Even lost some people that were agianst him before, so not just the MAGA crowd. :/

[up] We are are between polls, so right now it is all anecdotal admitantly, but watch the next one he is about to rebound.

Edited by Imca on Mar 24th 2019 at 2:19:44 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#275488: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:27:16 PM

I'm pretty nervous about how the results are going to go the less informed, because it already reads like Trump is exonerated, even with the "knowingly" caveat added on.

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#275489: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:29:09 PM

I have to say, though satisfying to see almost everyone who willingly decided to associate with Trump's campaign being brought down, this is sort of an unsuspensful and anticlimactic conclusion. I told myself this was the inevitable with Teflon Don... but still kept hope alive...

Edited by Grafite on Mar 24th 2019 at 9:30:39 AM

Life is unfair...
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#275490: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:30:08 PM

The problem is that the knowingly caveat is that it would be very easy to unknowingly work with those efforts.

Consider for a moment if it was Clinton who had benefited, what do you think the chances are that she would have unknowingly work with those efforts in some way? I'll be honest, it's somewhere are 100%.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#275491: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:37:40 PM

I'm confused. Barr says that Trump did not collude with the Russians, but the report still somehow doesn't exonerate him?

Edited by BearyScary on Mar 24th 2019 at 1:37:56 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#275492: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:37:57 PM

We are are between polls, so right now it is all anecdotal admitantly, but watch the next one he is about to rebound.

He has rebounded before, but he's never gotten above -7 and it's always temporary.

You are dangerously close to defeatism.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 24th 2019 at 2:38:12 AM

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#275493: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:40:28 PM

This report alone is pretty damaging regardless of how it says it found no evidence,the fact alone they had to write a report on him alone is damaging

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#275494: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:41:48 PM

Not to a lot of people.

Remember a not insignificant plurality of Americans believe this entire investigation is just a partisan act.

Oh really when?
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#275495: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:49:35 PM

I’m just going to point out that we shouldn’t really be surprised here. If you thought the report was going to come out and definitively prove collusion you were kidding yourself.

We’re looking at a death by a thousand cuts situation here, so let’s not get ahead of ourselves. The report will almost certainly have damaging allegations in it regardless of the conclusion.

They should have sent a poet.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#275496: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:50:35 PM

[up]I think what some people are concerned about is that the public may not see it that way.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#275497: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:58:15 PM

I think the little we know of the report so far makes a it damn clear that Trump might not have actively colluded with the Russian state to gain the presidency, but he was surrounded by a disproportionate number of people who very much were (and knew it).

While he was up to his eyeballs in money laundering and debt schemes bankrolled by Russian commercial (and state) interests who he was quite happy to work with, without knowing exactly what they were doing (to him) both outside and inside his own circle.

And, the poor patsy couldn't see how this was going to be a problem for him.

Which is worse? Actively being a foreign puppet... Or unknowingly being one?

Edited by Euodiachloris on Mar 24th 2019 at 10:03:19 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#275498: Mar 24th 2019 at 3:03:11 PM

Corrupt or a useful idiot? I'd say both.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#275499: Mar 24th 2019 at 3:06:07 PM

[up][up][up] I highly doubt this will suddenly change someone’s mind on Trump. And besides, as long as it’s politically damaging it might not even matter.

They should have sent a poet.
Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#275500: Mar 24th 2019 at 3:17:23 PM

When Nate Silver tweeted that this likely helps Trump, I did dabble in pessimism for a minute, but considering how many evil things Trump does every week, I imagine any bump he gets in the polls will be short-lived.

The only way we were ever getting rid of Trump was by showing up on Election Day. Retaking the House renewed my hope of that.

Edited by Lennik on Mar 24th 2019 at 6:19:29 AM

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.

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