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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#274851: Mar 20th 2019 at 10:53:41 AM

Mine was adding a giant plaque detailing the evils of the CSA and the people that made those statue and then defacing the statues themselves

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#274852: Mar 20th 2019 at 10:54:17 AM

I'm personally in favor of hanging Participation Medals on all of them.
Here's one for that idea: [awesome]

Edited by Kayeka on Mar 20th 2019 at 6:54:51 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#274853: Mar 20th 2019 at 10:56:14 AM

My idea was to have a confederate soldier draped in a white flag but your idea is probably better..

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 20th 2019 at 5:56:32 PM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#274854: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:00:08 AM

[up] That might come across as a bit too suggestive of Klan outfit I think.

Edited by megaeliz on Mar 20th 2019 at 2:01:21 PM

Boston Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#274855: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:02:55 AM

The problem with putting Confederate statues in a museum us that you waste a lot of public money on re-situating them. Not just moving them, but creating whatever interpretive signage you feel rightly informs the viewers as to their significance - and, let's be honest, that's rife with potential for politicization. (Not that it's impossible; the documentary surrounding e.g. Fort Mc Allister doesn't paint the Confederates in the most sympathetic light.)

I've offered before in this thread that the very best usage for Confederate statuary might well be to replace disappearing reefs, providing a suitable habitat for aquatic wildlife ... while still offering viewing opportunities for those who truly want to visit them.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#274856: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:10:27 AM

Given how badly the Lost Cause types want the statues, why not let them have 'em? Sell them to the guys, get rid of the statues, generate some revenue in the bargain and/or, if you want to twist the knife, dedicate the proceeds of the sale to a charity they'd loathe.

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#274857: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:14:14 AM

I still like the Daily Show's suggestion of updating Confederate statues to have famous black athletes dunking on the Confederate generals.

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#274858: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:16:21 AM

> That might come across as a bit too suggestive of Klan outfit I think.

Sure just make sure it doesn't resemble a hood,point is the statue should be a reminder they lost

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#274859: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:16:40 AM

@mega might make for a good joke, though.

Why are Klansmen robed in white? Well, had to recycle all the white flags, somehow?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#274860: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:19:04 AM

[up][up][up][up] it's been done, or has been done with Confederate flags. Those Neo Confederate groups then set them up on technically private land that happens to be very visible to the community so everybody so had to suffer their existence.

Edited by Parable on Mar 20th 2019 at 11:19:25 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#274861: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:05:30 PM

I wonder if this might make things interesting:

"Trump's border wall money may come at expense of schools for military kids" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-education/trumps-border-wall-money-may-come-at-expense-of-schools-for-military-kids-idUSKCN1R12EH

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#274862: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:19:00 PM

You don't need to preserve all the statues, but at least relocate some of the ones that have artistic merit to museums. Same opinion for monuments to Stalin, they visually reflect the culture of a certain age which can't be properly expressed in other forms.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#274863: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:20:03 PM

Kellyanne Conway defends Trump after he attacks her husband

'You think he should just take that sitting down?' she says about Trump after George Conway questioned his mental fitness.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/kellyanne-george-conway-trump-1229193

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#274865: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:22:14 PM

“But you think he shouldn’t respond when somebody, a non-medical professional accuses him of having a mental disorder? You think he should just take that sitting down?”

Yes, that would be the adult thing to do, particularly when you're the president.

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#274866: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:38:58 PM

I'm very conflicted about this.

On the one hand, there's no denying that Trump has certain characteristics that could, if assessed and compared by a licensed professional, be the basis for a diagnosis.

On the other hand there's the goddamn pervasive Ableism of everyone and their mother fucking always trying to shove the behaviour of anyone they don't like onto one diagnosis or Ableist slur or another.

Let's just say I understand why LGBT people were so upset about the 'Trump and Putin are gay for each other' memes a lot better now (or I would if, being LGBT myself, I didn't understand that perfectly well already).

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#274867: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:41:58 PM

[up] That is a legitimate problem, agreed. Ableist, LGBT, and/or racial slurs don't suddenly become okay because the person they're directed at is a member of the right-wing.

That said, there are a lot of people who have come to the conclusion that Trump suffers from narcissistic personality disorder, and it's notoriously difficult to diagnose and treat because people suffering from it typically don't believe that there is anything wrong with them, never mind that they should seek help.

The "fighting back" part, though, is absolutely stupid. The President is supposed to place himself and his office above that kind of pettiness. Obama didn't tweet angry retorts at people using the 'n' word; he called for civility in discourse.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:44:49 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#274868: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:42:49 PM

[up][up] On the other hand, I know of several gay people who like making those jokes themselves.

Still, the adult thing to do would be just ignore it.

Edited by megaeliz on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:44:22 AM

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#274869: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:43:53 PM

I would say it's a valid point to highlight these behaviours, however—not outright diagnose, but raise the question of "are all these shared traits really something that we want in charge of a country"? Trump's never going to go within a mile of any diagnosis unless he's paid them off already.

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#274870: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:44:58 PM

Wait, when were there ableist slurs involved?

[up][up]N-Word Privileges

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:45:28 AM

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#274871: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:45:35 PM

[up] Armchair-diagnosing public figures with mental disorders is seen as a form of ableism. First, the people saying those things are not medical professionals and the targets of the comments are not under their medical care, so they are not qualified to render any diagnosis. Second, it implicitly devalues people who do legitimately suffer from such disorders.

[down] It's a borderline case of ableism. It's like calling yourself "OCD" because you obsess over tidiness. That's not what the disease means and it can cause people who really have it to feel devalued.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:48:07 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#274872: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:46:58 PM

[up][up] no, he just pointed out that Trump’s behavior seems to fit the dignostic criteria for Clinical Narcissism.

[up] he’s not the only one. Several people familiar with the disorder and how it affects people have pointed it out as well.

Edited by megaeliz on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:48:59 AM

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#274873: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:47:18 PM

I haven't seen too much outright ableism or ableist slurs in this thread, though there have been quite a few non-professionals armchair diagnosing Trump as a narcissist, myself included.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 20th 2019 at 1:47:52 AM

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#274874: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:47:26 PM

[up][up][up]I get that; I'm talking about the specific use of slurs. "Crazy", "loonie", things like that.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:47:39 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#274875: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:50:45 PM

Hasn't that HoarseWhisperer Twitter that megaeliz occasionally quotes been able to generally predict Trump's behavior by applying the traits of narcissists to him?

Somewhat serious question since I'm not sure offhand how good their actual track record has been.


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