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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#274501: Mar 16th 2019 at 2:28:37 PM

And we know how well that would go in the current Senate.

The US Senate doesn't pass state laws. Any kind of change to the way state prosecutors work would be handled on a state level, so the current composition of the Senate is irrelevant.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#274502: Mar 16th 2019 at 2:30:46 PM

Personally, I think that the biggest problem with libertarianism is the fact that, once a corporation hits critical mass, it has the power to undermine any potential competition, thus ruining the entire point of capitalism. Then libertarians point at anti-trust legislation, saying that is enough protection from just that, but I humbly disagree. If anything, the fact that those laws have become so difficult to enforce only proves just how much political power corporations have gained.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#274503: Mar 16th 2019 at 3:19:13 PM

"That is not to say I think that the police as they currently exist are perfect, I think we need to move to a more Peelian model of policing and that the solution to problematic police responses to minority issues is more minority policemen. People who come from these minority communities and are still a part of them while also keeping the peace."

There's research that indicates that minority cops are actually just as likely to brutalize minority suspects as their white peers. The problem isn't a micro-level individual racism problem, but a macro-level institution problem.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#274504: Mar 16th 2019 at 3:49:48 PM

[up][up][up] Whoops, my bad. Guess that just shifts the object of my sarcasm to all the state legislatures that are dominated by the GOP.

Edited by MarqFJA on Mar 16th 2019 at 1:50:03 PM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#274505: Mar 16th 2019 at 3:53:19 PM

The problem is the police in America are fearmongering bullies who think they have the right to bully people, and they react aggressively and violently in response to anyone challenging their authority. This creates a massive superiority complex, and anyone who doesn't obey gets shot because police believe that questioning their authority is the same as undermining their authority.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#274506: Mar 16th 2019 at 3:57:16 PM

What does make the police to start acting like that? 'Cause the one where I live is pretty much the same way. Is it something inherent to the institution, some flaw during the trining process?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#274507: Mar 16th 2019 at 3:59:28 PM

The nature of the job attracts bullies and people on a power trip or with a complex.

Couple that with no real oversight and iffy screening systems plus no accountability whatsoever and there you go.

Oh really when?
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#274508: Mar 16th 2019 at 4:01:24 PM

Well, at least those are problems that can (emphasis on this) be fixed. Not anytime soon, but they can.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#274509: Mar 16th 2019 at 4:13:24 PM

Make the job less attractive to people who would abuse their power by increasing the requirements to become a police officer,the idea of the police being about wielding authority and carrying a firearm needs to be stop being emphasised

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 16th 2019 at 11:14:03 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#274510: Mar 16th 2019 at 4:13:41 PM

From what I've heard, police in some other countries don't act like this. In some other countries, police officers are just normal people whose job is to enforce the law, they're not due any more respect, diligence, or fear than anyone else.

Law enforcement is important, but the culture surrounding America's law enforcement is a huge problem that would need some incredible effort to fix.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#274511: Mar 16th 2019 at 4:33:40 PM

And I'd imagine its related to other factors that also need to be addressed, like say weapon culture and military fetishization.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#274512: Mar 16th 2019 at 6:11:20 PM

Remington can now be sued for marketing the semiautomatic rifle used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. The 4-3 decision, which reversed a lower court's ruling, will permit a lawsuit on behalf of the parents and relatives of the victims to proceed against the gun manufacturer of the AR-15-style rifle used to kill 20 young children and six adults in 2012. (Axios / Vice News)

Well. I guess we've found the reason for why that senator is trying to make it a legal requirement for everyone to own an AR-15. It's an attempt to get around their legal woes (which now includes being sued for marketing), and flips the bird to Sandy Hook in the process.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 16th 2019 at 1:12:48 PM

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#274513: Mar 16th 2019 at 6:12:25 PM

It's not a ban, it's a "You may proceed to make your argument."

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#274514: Mar 16th 2019 at 6:13:04 PM

[up]Yes, typo on my part and already corrected.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#274515: Mar 16th 2019 at 6:40:13 PM

The militarization of the police is a real phenomenon and not just in equipment but their relationship to the communities they police. They have for years gone further and further from the view of protectors to occupiers.

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Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#274516: Mar 16th 2019 at 6:49:36 PM

From what I've heard, police in some other countries don't act like this. In some other countries, police officers are just normal people whose job is to enforce the law, they're not due any more respect, diligence, or fear than anyone else.

Law enforcement is important, but the culture surrounding America's law enforcement is a huge problem that would need some incredible effort to fix.

If there's one crime I can never forgive the big studio bosses in Hollywood for, it's the fact that American cop movies have, through cultural osmosis, led Dutch cops to go from what you just described to a more 'Respect mah autoritah' mindset (though they're not quite all the way to the US cop mentality).

No, wait, if there's only one crime I can never forgive, it's definitely the covering up of sexual abusers like Harvey Weinstein, but the above is also not a good thing.

Angry gets shit done.
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i'm tired, my friend
#274517: Mar 16th 2019 at 6:57:03 PM

Why is the Dutch film industry trying to ape Hollywood?

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#274519: Mar 16th 2019 at 7:02:36 PM

Every film industry has tried to ape Hollywood at some point, I think.

And it is not just Hollywood: every facet of the entertainment industry, from music to video game development to comic writing, has been covering up that kind of shit for ages, now.

Not that I think it excuses Hollywood, mind, but I feel the problem should ever be reduced to it alone, it's quite bigger than that.

Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#274520: Mar 16th 2019 at 7:13:22 PM

Erhm, actually, we're kinda partly responsible for introducing the good old ultra-violence to Hollywood. Paul Verhoeven is Dutch, after all.

But what I actually meant is that our current generation of cops grew up watching US movies and TV shows (in retrospect I realize that TV shows aren't shot in Hollywood, but yeah) and this has planted the US idea of the police officer as an authority figure, rather than a civil servant in their heads.

Like, the Dutch TV and Film industry isn't that big so a proportionally large amount of our media comes directly from the US. And we pretty much all are at least conversant in English so it's not like we can hide those kinds of things in dubs, we subtitle everything.

Angry gets shit done.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#274521: Mar 16th 2019 at 9:14:13 PM

Washington Senate passes bill that would keep Trump off 2020 ballot unless he releases tax returns – Washington's state Senate passed a bill this week that would drop President Trump from the state's 2020 presidential ballot until he releases his tax returns.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/434412-washington-senate-passes-bill-that-would-keep-trump-off-2020-ballot

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#274523: Mar 16th 2019 at 9:41:12 PM

States are in charge of their own elections, so I think they can set up whatever rules they want to determine who gets on the ballot unless it violates federal law.

That said, the Constitution does have explicit rules about the requirements for being president. One could argue that those are the only rules that apply and anything else is unlawful.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#274524: Mar 16th 2019 at 9:45:26 PM

Unless the Constitution explicitly says those are the only rules, others can be added as long as they don't contradict anything else written.

Besides, this seems a pretty reasonable thing: if you're gonna represent the US for the next 4 to 8 years, you shouldn't have anything to hide.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#274525: Mar 16th 2019 at 9:48:10 PM

If Trump does release his tax returns (about the same time Hell freezes over, I'm thinking), they'll probably be a complete falsehood like his so-called medical report was.

Edited by pwiegle on Mar 16th 2019 at 12:48:38 PM

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