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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#274476: Mar 16th 2019 at 2:45:50 AM

Of course, AR-15s aren’t really used in crime all that often. Bad actors typically reach for a handgun or shotgun first, both of which are typically much easier to get than an AR anyways.

They should have sent a poet.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#274477: Mar 16th 2019 at 2:51:04 AM

Totally not funded by the NRA.

When I heard of it, I first thought that it might have been a completely reasonable antebellum law that was still on the books - but no, it's a 1982 law.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#274478: Mar 16th 2019 at 2:55:30 AM

Er, we talking about the law discussed in this Snopes article? Because it looks a lot more symbolic that way.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#274479: Mar 16th 2019 at 4:30:12 AM

Bernie Sanders' campaign is the first major campaign that we know of to unionize.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#274480: Mar 16th 2019 at 6:53:32 AM

[up]

Well, he's putting his money where his mouth is, at any rate.

And in infuriating news, remember the Charles Kinsey shooting from a couple years back? The black social worker who was laying down on the ground with his arms upraised and still got shot (and survived) by a police officer? And the officer subsequently claimed (and still does) that he was actually aiming at the autistic man because he thought he was posing a threat to Kinsey?

Well, a Florida jury has acquitted him on a Misdemeanor charge of culpable negligence, and deadlocked on 3 other charges. Sadly, it was because one of the jurors didn't buy his story - the other 5 voted for acquittal.

Seriously, the fuck is wrong with us!? This is a case in which he fired from behind police lines, and past other officers - none of whom responded the way he did!

Edit: Ugh, fuck me, the article explains that, apparently: The scene commander radioed that the man appeared to be “re-loading.” - which would explain why Aledda acted the way he did. And yet I fucking guarantee that the scene commander, despite being fired, will face no criminal charges for it, so no one involved in this shit suffers legal consequences for it. Of course, those at the front had also relayed via radio that they were convinced it wasn't a gun at all, which Aledda claimed to not hear because his radio was faulty - which doesn't gel very well with the former point.

Edited by ironballs16 on Mar 16th 2019 at 10:06:23 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#274481: Mar 16th 2019 at 7:20:05 AM

"Well, he's putting his money where his mouth is, at any rate."

As he almost always does.

@Cops Shooting helpless black people: We cant know why the jury found as they did unless we know what kind of evidence they were presented with by the prosecutor and the defending attorney. I dont know the answer to that question, but here's a clue: in the US police prosecutions are handled by the same prosecutors office that has to work with police to convict any other crimminal. The conflict of interest is obvious. The simplest solution, I think, is the establishment in every state of a prosecutor's department who do nothing except investigate crmimes committed by law enforcement personell.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#274482: Mar 16th 2019 at 7:43:28 AM

And we know how well that would go in the current Senate.

RE the mandatory AR-15 ownership bill: I'm seriously baffled why he specifically named the AR-15 instead of just saying the much more inclusive "firearm". Shouldn't he be appealing to all firearms manufacturers, instead of the ones that make AR-15s?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#274483: Mar 16th 2019 at 7:44:28 AM

[up]

That tends to be more when it's before a grand jury that a prosecutor will half-ass it - it seems like the prosecutors in this case are going whole-hog on it, likely in part because he fired past other officers, thereby putting their lives in danger, which is an easier sell to the local precincts.

[down]

I think it's partially to be realistic - with a GOP-controlled Senate, such a bill would likely be dead on arrival. That said, it'd be interesting to see just what rationale they would try to kill the proposal with - likely more "small government" rhetoric.

Edited by ironballs16 on Mar 16th 2019 at 11:26:02 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#274484: Mar 16th 2019 at 7:56:40 AM

"And we know how well that would go in the current Senate."

I'm sorry, but I really dont understand the purpose of saying things like this. Are we supposed to give up discussing potential solutions because we dont expect the Republicans to agree with us?

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#274485: Mar 16th 2019 at 8:52:03 AM

[up]x3 They might be specifically picking AR-15 ownership because AR-15's are one of the most controversial guns to own right now. Semi-Automatic and Assault Rifles are really at the forefront of the Gun debate in the US, so forcing everyone in Missouri to own one would help those who want minimal gun control (It'd especially keep talks of banning Semi-Automatics and Assaults from being possible in Missouri).

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#274486: Mar 16th 2019 at 8:56:44 AM

AR-15's are also pretty much the most popular model, as well as being relatively cheap. So if you are going to require people to buy an assault rifle, then the AR-15 is the easiest one to require.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#274487: Mar 16th 2019 at 11:07:19 AM

[up][up][up] No, just highlighting the obvious major hurdle in making such a thing a reality. Sarcastic quip at the GOP's obstructionism, you know?

Edited by MarqFJA on Mar 16th 2019 at 9:07:52 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#274488: Mar 16th 2019 at 11:11:47 AM

>"Well, he's putting his money where his mouth is, at any rate."

As he almost always does.

Which is one of the reasons that even if I don't agree with him, I respect him.

The simplest solution, I think, is the establishment in every state of a prosecutor's department who do nothing except investigate crmimes committed by law enforcement personell.

I consider myself to be extremely pro-police and I think it's a good idea.

Edited by Soban on Mar 16th 2019 at 2:12:17 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#274489: Mar 16th 2019 at 11:14:25 AM

So why haven't previous campaigns unionised?Granted that a campaign is in likelihood a temporary thing while they're trying to make them president

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#274490: Mar 16th 2019 at 12:03:59 PM

Semi-Automatic and Assault Rifles are really at the forefront of the Gun debate in the US
Correction: you're thinking of "assault weapons" Assault rifles are, by definition, capable of fully automatic fire, which means they're already incredibly difficult to get legally. "Assault weapon" has no consensus definition, so 90% of the time means "guns you think are scary".

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#274493: Mar 16th 2019 at 12:27:37 PM

I think the logic is that the police aren't 'big government' they enforce the rules but they're not part of the government in the broadest sense

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#274494: Mar 16th 2019 at 12:33:26 PM

>How do you reconcile your libertarianism with a strong pro-police stance?

TLDR; I'm not an anarchist.

There are institutions and such that we do need. The role of the police is to help maintain the the non-aggression principle and enforce the consequences when it is broken. Even if we got rid of them, they would reemerge as what they do is something we need. When it comes to if a officer was justified or not, I often find myself falling on the police side of things. I also view a lot of movements as eroding police authority that they need to do their job effectively.

That is not to say I think that the police as they currently exist are perfect, I think we need to move to a more Peelian model of policing and that the solution to problematic police responses to minority issues is more minority policemen. People who come from these minority communities and are still a part of them while also keeping the peace.

Edited by Soban on Mar 16th 2019 at 3:34:59 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274495: Mar 16th 2019 at 1:03:53 PM

There are so many different kinds of lolbertarianism that it's not too surprising there's some versions that are okay with police.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#274496: Mar 16th 2019 at 1:33:17 PM

In theory libertarianism advocates for small government, but in practice it doesn't amount to much more than an It's All About Me-flavored "rebellious teen" phase. People being told what to do is only really a problem when it's them being told what to do.

That's how I see it at least.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#274497: Mar 16th 2019 at 1:36:11 PM

I generally regard libertarianism as naive because I don't think it's really feasible for something as large as the United States of America to be run on minimal federal government.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274498: Mar 16th 2019 at 1:38:03 PM

There's a reason we went back to the drawing board after the Articles of Confederation.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#274499: Mar 16th 2019 at 1:40:57 PM

Which is one of the reasons that even if I don't agree with him, I respect him.

Yeah, I don't like Sanders but I can at least respect his sincerity.

That's part of the reason I loath O'Rourke, unlike Sanders he stands for nothing.

There's a reason we went back to the drawing board after the Articles of Confederation.

You don't even need to go that far back, the gilded age and robber barons are much more recent and clearly show the nonviability of Libertarianism and other laissez-faire ideologies.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 16th 2019 at 1:42:36 AM

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Lost in Space
#274500: Mar 16th 2019 at 1:51:01 PM

Every generation, people think they've reinvented libertarianism and wonder why everyone doesn't adopt it as the most obvious and sensible form of governance. After all, everyone else who tried it before and failed miserably must have been doing it wrong. It has the same problem as many other political ideologies: they cannot fail; they can only be failed.

The problem with all civil authority in a libertarian society is that it's for sale to the highest bidder. That is, after all, the basic principle of the thing. Everyone thinks they'll be on the winning side of that scenario, but ... yeah.

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