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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274301: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:03:47 AM

[up]Yes, and so is Current Affairs magazine.

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#274302: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:05:41 AM

Right, but no-one has a non-biased take. So to dismiss them because they're biased would mean you'd have to dismiss all opinion pieces.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274303: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:07:43 AM

[up]Which is one reason I don't usually link op-eds here. And even though non-biased sources don't really exist for the most part...Current Affairs is very biased.

I do occasionally link op-eds. Usually progressive ones that go easy on the emotionally charged language such as Paul Krugman's editorials.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:08:54 PM

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#274304: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:08:50 AM

TY Ts and odd one. When criticizing republicans they’re dead on and pointing out that a lot of centrists are willing to compromise they’re accurate. But then they have idiots like jimmy dore.

Yes the give trump the wall for dreamers was asinine. But in practice Dems have been bending over for decades. Glass Steagel repeal? Those awful crime bills? Don’t ask don’t tell? Wall Street deregulation? All done with support from the dems

Edited by LordYAM on Mar 14th 2019 at 3:09:18 AM

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#274305: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:09:54 AM

[up][up]What do you mean by that? That they consistently put out articles of the same political leaning, or that that political leaning is consistently one you disagree with? Or both?

[up]I tend towards Sam Seder rather than TYT for that reason. Dore has no idea what he's yapping about.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Mar 14th 2019 at 10:11:04 AM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274306: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:10:36 AM

[up]Same political leaning and favoring emotionally charged language that is geared towards swaying their audience. Or pandering to people who already agree with them.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:13:50 PM

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#274307: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:14:49 AM

You seem to consistently advocate neoliberal and centrist positions, and that if something is said in a mean way it should be ignored.

Hell here’s an article on joe Biden. Whatever ones opinion the points it raises about his record are worth considering.

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/03/joe-biden-record/

Same with Kamela

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.amp.html

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#274308: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:17:59 AM

"emotionally charged language" - that's it?

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274309: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:18:05 AM

[up][up]And when did I say I was a supporter of either?

I have no love for Biden. And the more I learn about Kamala Harris the less convinced I am of voting for her in the primaries.

[up]If the source acts more like that one angry old man who would rant on a soapbox at the college campus' quad during my college days, I'm going to take the source as seriously as I did that old man's rants. Which is to say not at all.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:19:44 PM

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#274310: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:27:30 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274311: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:30:02 AM

[up]Okay, now you're getting into personal attacks here. I've refrained from actually making personal insults towards you so far. The least you could do is do the same.

All I've done so far is call the sources you linked biased and not the most reliable. I haven't said anything about you personally.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:32:57 PM

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#274312: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:35:17 AM

I was pointing out a bit of hypocrisy on your part. I linked an article showing Kamela’s shitty record almost a year ago but you dismissed it because it was from the jacobin. You also pulled the “it was Jerry brown’s fault” when in fact she did have the chance to do the right thing in the Cooper case and sat on it until she got called out on it. If Cooper is cleared I will totally bring it up every time someone stumps for her.

It’s sort of vindicating in a way

And in cases like Israel it’s right to show anger.

Edited by LordYAM on Mar 14th 2019 at 3:36:52 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274313: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:36:29 AM

[up]That's an awfully long time to hold a grudge over someone not approving of an article you linked. And the Jacobin is a biased and unreliable source. Keep in mind that we generally don't even take Huffington Post or Daily Kos material here very seriously, and those are way less biased.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:40:10 PM

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#274314: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:40:25 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274315: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:44:06 AM

[up]I changed my opinion once more evidence became more publicly known. That's all. And even back then I wasn't a particularly huge fan of Kamala Harris in the first place. Which is what made it easier for me to change my opinion. I went from "ambivalent but supportive" to "ambivalent but not my first choice".

It's hardly hypocrisy. I was simply willing to change my mind.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:47:23 PM

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#274316: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:46:35 AM

Fair enough but I’m not happy about being dismissed as a sexist Bernie bro back when I pointed this shit out (and it was available back then. I cited how a lot of people were turned off by her lack of action in the Cooper case and You pulled the “it was Jerry brown’s fault” on me.)

I don’t like being accused of slander and when Ambar did that you didn’t exactly offer help.

Edited by LordYAM on Mar 14th 2019 at 3:49:25 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#274317: Mar 14th 2019 at 3:48:46 AM

[up]I'd suggest not bringing up a poster who no longer regularly posts here as part of your argument, given that they are not able to respond. For all you know, maybe Ambar has also changed their mind on this issue.

But I digress. We're not supposed to discuss other posters in these threads.

Moving on...

Donald Trump follows lead of other nations and grounds Boeing 737 Max planes

I gotta admit...this isn't an entirely bad move on Trump's part. There's definitely something wrong with these planes. Two crashes within four or five months? That's not normal.

And even this move was only due to Trump caving in to growing pressure.

I suppose it shows that even lobbying power has its limits.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 7:08:41 PM

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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#274318: Mar 14th 2019 at 4:51:14 AM

My point is the hypocrisy on your end. You dismissed the arguments because of who was saying it....but when people you approve of say the same thing oh now you take it seriously.

I'll be honest, I see nothing wrong with this. Fringe leftist publications and figures can say anything they want, up to and including defending dictators and authoritarian governments while viciously bashing Western governments in general and anyone they perceive as even slightly to the right of their positions, which frequently means "not being Bernie".

So when it comes to topics like what to believe regarding potential 2020 Democratic nominees, taking Kamala Harris's unfortunate prosecution record as an example, I sure as hell would trust a more mainstream publication reporting the same thing than Jacobin or whatever, since as far as I'm concerned their track record has made me write them off, much like a Crying Wolf situation.

Mainstream media has problems, but holy crap am I glad for the "filter" they apply at times.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#274319: Mar 14th 2019 at 5:14:27 AM

If you are ranting and raving it doesn't matter how good your points are, people won't listen.

Trusting on the righteousness of the topic is no excuse to be shitty at delivering it.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#274320: Mar 14th 2019 at 5:41:41 AM

Don't Shoot the Message is a trope for a reason: communication isn't just about what you say, how you say it is just as important.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#274321: Mar 14th 2019 at 5:42:53 AM

Like in comedy, it's all in the delivery.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:43:03 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#274322: Mar 14th 2019 at 6:36:39 AM

Yes, a lot of Kamala's support early on was due to her great media presence. But that's the purpose of the primaries to be able to look at the records of candidates and see what the truth is versus the rhetoric.

Even so, I'd probably vote for her over Biden.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#274323: Mar 14th 2019 at 7:42:46 AM

Trump and co are bracing for as many as 14 GOP Senators to break ranks and vote against his Fake Emergency.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/senate-vote-trump-national-emergency/index.html

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#274325: Mar 14th 2019 at 7:48:02 AM

Looks like they are going to make him veto it.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.

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